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January 31st, 2013, 5:34 pm

LittleLynn84

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This page is brutal. Probably one of the heaviest things in this comic to date.

Obviously, what Aiken says is not only incorrect, but also deplorable. To my trans brothers and sisters: if someone ever says something like this to you, don’t even give them the time of day. These people are not worth your tears or your words. And to my cis friends: please, please, PLEASE just remember that genitalia doesn’t have anything to do with gender. Having a penis doesn’t necessarily make you a man. Having a vagina doesn’t necessarily make you a woman. Period.

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January 31st, 2013, 6:19 pm

lauren (Guest)

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i think aiken is going to get kicked out if he says anything else and he is probably going to be told he is full of crap

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January 31st, 2013, 7:39 pm

WiddleMow

ugh yes

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@LittleLynn84:

I've been waiting for a lash-out confrontation like this for so long. I love your comic to death, Lynn ^^ But I noticed that there was a lot of open-minded students at a catholic school...i was itching to see something brutal happen (in terms of lashing out). And it did! Gah, you planned this all along, didnt you!? BEST. TIMING. EVER. phrrrooooo~ <-- that's a fan babble sound i tend to make.

AUNT FARA YOU SHOW HIM, WOOOOO <3

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January 31st, 2013, 8:03 pm

Claire (Guest)

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Is this it?! AM I FINALLY GOING TO GET MY BITCH SLAP?!?! GO, FARA, GO!! =D

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January 31st, 2013, 8:34 pm

Dark Komet (Guest)

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I mostly prefer a Non-Human Character when playing a game

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February 1st, 2013, 4:29 am

Laughing (Guest)

Oh you...

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Doesn't he realize that he's being hyprocritical?

"It doesn't matter."

That's what Rain has been trying to tell you!

It doesn't matter that she is a she now. Let Rain be... Rain! And if she ruins your parade it's your damn fault.

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February 1st, 2013, 4:45 am

Phoebe (Guest)

The rule of thumb

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Just because you have it doesn't mean you have to be it.

That goes double for you, Aiken.

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February 1st, 2013, 5:55 am

Anonymous Commenter (Guest)

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@Jeremy:

You not feeling like a man is most likely your gender identity and your body, gender presentation, etc... matching, so you don't have to think about it (At least not that much). I think someone else could explain it better, i suck at explaining things.

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February 1st, 2013, 6:51 am

Jaebird (Guest)

@Jeremy

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What you're saying is 100% true from a biological standpoint. Man and Woman are informal terms for the biological make-up of a person.

However, it's equally true that society has created roles for these genders. For example, take a high school class. If a girl bursts into tears and runs out of the room, yes reactions will vary according to circumstances, but most people's default is "Oh god, is she okay?" If a boy does it, yes there's still sympathy, but people are much more likely to call him a "sissy".

There are also things like clothing. While as a general rule, girls have it easier there are still limits. For example, if a girl chooses a full tuxedo-style suit as her "formal wear" it's seen as highly weird. Boys generally aren't "allowed" to wear skirts or dresses.

There's also interests. For example video games. The whole idea of a "gamer girl" arises from the fact it was seen as a weird interest for a girl to have. And to pick another school example you get "boys sports" and "girls sports". They aren't allowed to explicitly call them that, but they do exist. Boys aren't "supposed" to be into things like romantic movies or fashion.

I personally think the existence of these stereo-types is an imposition on human nature, but they have their advantages. A lot of them are based on the differences in brain make-up and hormones between men and women. The point is that they also add to "gender identity."

For some people, their gender identity means almost nothing to them. They're either drawn to the gender-neutral in the first-place or they have a high tolerance for disdain. Honestly, while I fully support that transsexuals have the right to be treated as the gender they feel they truly are, I cannot personally understand the feeling of wanting to change. The differences I can see and feel aren't severe enough to provoke that.

Sorry for the length of things, I think I went off on one there. As far as this actual page goes... The issue is not whether Aiken's "your biology makes you a man" viewpoint is true in any way, shape or form. The issue here is that he is not being respectful of his younger sister's life choices. He is making little to no effort to adapt for them.

Although in his defence, in his own way sitting down to make the character for Rain was probably his way of extending the olive branch. Rain had every right to refuse it, as I just said it was disrespectful and ignorant of him, but to Aiken he's trying to make things up with his "Baby Brother" and he's been shot down. Until he understands that this isn't so much a "choice that Ryan has made" as "Rain being strong enough to be herself" their relationship can't improve.

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February 1st, 2013, 6:55 am

Eira (Guest)

Jeremy

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@Jeremy. Shut up. Go away. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 buttcoins.

Trans women ARE women, and they are entirely female unless EXPLICITLY stated otherwise by the individual in question. Genitalia is just genitalia. It's not gender. We already have a word for genitalia, and it's not "gender". It's "genitalia".

Your "honest opinion" is bigoted, hurtful and completely in support of the status quo and the oppressive kyriarchy (google it). You're not being the "reasonable" voice here.

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February 1st, 2013, 9:36 am

JokerMann

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Thank you so much. Not only for the entire comic, but for taking up this problem in particular as well. And what you wrote in the comments just made me so happy to finally hear (read) somebody say it.
As always, keep up the great work and thank you for making this comic. Hope you have a good day!

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February 1st, 2013, 12:45 pm

Eira (Guest)

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@Jeremy:

You're talking about gender roles for some reason. Rain's gender IDENTITY is woman/female. She could be wearing pants and like trucks and still identify as a woman. This is not semantics. This is lives. There is definite need to be upset when you say the only reason someone identifies as female is because of gender roles, because it shows a severe lack of understanding and also represents the common arguments used to deny us care and respect.

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February 1st, 2013, 12:52 pm

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@Eira: all jeremy wants is to understand why people feel the need to change their gender. If you really want the world to accept trans people than you have to explain the hows and whys to them like Lynn is doing with this comic. To spread understanding you have to understand yourself that it can be hard for non gender confused people to understand what it is that makes trans people feel the need to make the transition, Jeremy didn't mean to hurt your feelings(even though you are being over sensitive) but by ignoring his inquiry and heading straight to the insults is no way to get accepted into the global community. You reap what you sow.

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February 1st, 2013, 1:13 pm

Eira (Guest)

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tonepolicing.txt

Guest, I do not want "allies" that insult us, that question us, that demands to know why we exist. I'm not "over sensitive" for being upset when questioned over why I exist, especially when the questioner doesn't seem to have done even the most rudimentary of their own research, instead demanding us to hand it (our reason for existence) over on a silver platter full of nice language and feelings. By the way, it's quite telling that you say I insult him when I clearly outlined the answer in a harsh but direct language. Apparently, insulting a minority doesn't count? However, when the minority responds in a tone that is anything other than rainbows and niceness then they are suddenly at fault? You are a troll. You demand niceness when you show none in kind.

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February 1st, 2013, 1:24 pm

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@Eira: if you want to accepted by the world you have to deal with way worse than jeremy.

If i am perfectly honest I actually find it offensive when you say that genitalia is just genitalia and it's not gender. It makes it seem as if all girls should be wandering round wearing dresses, skirts and makeup. If you want to do that fine but it has nothing to do with your gender. It has to do with who you are. It is the gender roles that are holding you back nothing else. Biologically speaking, gender IS defined by your genitalia whereas personality has nothing to do with gender or gentiles. In my opinion we should wear what we like and act how we like but we shouldn't be saying that we can we only act in this certain way if we are of the opposite sex. It is offensive.

Also I am not a troll just a person with my own opinion that contrasts with your own. I love this comic and all the issues raised, and i say if you want to change your gender go ahead but you shouldn't feel pressured by gender roles to do this.

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February 1st, 2013, 3:09 pm

J.Jones (Guest)

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@Guest: You sir, are incorrect.

Genitalia denotes PHYSICAL sex. Not MENTAL gender. If there is anything my psychology classes taught me, is that those two, while they usually overlap, are not one in the same thing.

In fact.. there are more than two GENDERS out there, technically speaking. Don't make me break out my text books and start quoting.. because I will.

Transgendered people suffer from not having the two differing concepts properly aligning in an agreeable manner.

And it has a great amount to do with brain chemistry. So no, its not a choice either.

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February 1st, 2013, 3:16 pm

RileaSW (Guest)

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Wow... I REALLY want to punch Aiken in the jaw. Maybe Aunt Fara should get some more student art projects to administer discipline.

Nah, She'll probably give him some talk and when he states he won't change kick him out.

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February 1st, 2013, 3:17 pm

Guest

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@J.Jones: I never said it was a choice, i just don't see what changing your genetalia has to do with who you are.

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February 1st, 2013, 3:23 pm

J.Jones (Guest)

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@Guest: Because, in short. Being a woman mentally but not physically, for example, causes a mental dissonance that is incredibly stressful.

Especially with all the social pressures and ignorance that puts the priority on the physical rather than the mental in our society.

I noted that it wasn't a choice simply because I hate hearing that argument that 'its a choice.' and I hear it much too often around where I live... and wanted to shoot that down right then and there.

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February 1st, 2013, 5:20 pm

Guest

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@J.Jones: how can you be a woman mentally though? what does that mean? it's that that im confused about.

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February 1st, 2013, 6:19 pm

Silas (Guest)

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@Jeremy:

gender is how one experiences their identity.
sex is used to refer to one's genitals.

neither are very clean-cut (see: nonbinary gendered people and intersex people).

trans* people have a very intense experience with gender since it's something we have to struggle with in society. cis people have the privilege of not giving their gender a second thought because it's not something that's challenged.

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February 1st, 2013, 6:24 pm

Silas (Guest)

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@Guest:
You are a gender mentally because you feel like that gender.

That's all that means.

@Jeremy, if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

No one "has to be nice to be accepted." I personally don't want cis people to "accept" me, I'm really not looking for validation. I want cis people to shut the fuck up and stop oppressing trans* people.

And before anyone spews cis tears everywhere, the harshness is a reaction to oppression. Never tell anyone how to react to oppression.

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February 1st, 2013, 7:54 pm

Haldo (Guest)

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Aiken is such an asshole. If Rain decides she doesn't want to be around him for the next twenty years, I'll support her in full.

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February 1st, 2013, 8:12 pm

Haldo (Guest)

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Also, I'd just like to point out that the words "sex" and "gender" have always had different meanings, even before awareness of transgender individuals was raised.

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February 1st, 2013, 8:22 pm

Someone (Guest)

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@Jeremy
Maybe for you it is just semantics, but for some people gender is an important part of their identity. Saying it's "just" words is dismissive of their feelings, and that is why people are upset. Please try to understand where they are coming from.

I personally do not care about gender at all. I identify with the gender I do because it is the path of least resistance, and I have trouble understanding why it means so much to most people. But other people do care about it a lot, and plenty of trans people have spent much of their lives just trying to be recognized for who they are. It would be rude and insensitive for me to dismiss their feelings and experiences like that. So please understand that I am not trying to insult you or anything, and I don't think you intended to offend anyone. It's just that your words are really hurtful to some people.

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February 3rd, 2013, 3:24 am

MelodyRae (Guest)

Sex vs Gender

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@ Jeremy

First off, I want to thank you for asking a difficult question seeking clarification. People seeking education should never be frowned upon.

So to answer your query: A person's genitalia is commonly referred to as their physical sex or birth sex. This is separate from one's gender identity (and sexuality). Allow me to elaborate.

Take someone who was born physically male. It is assumed this child is a boy and the child will be socialized as such. That social treatment and expression is what forces a gender identity on the child. However, there is research showing that insensitivity to testosterone or too much exposure to one sex hormone or the other can physically alter the brain development of the fetus so the end result is a child whose gender identity does not match their physical sex.

For most people, gender and sex line up, but for Trans* folks, they are at odds. This causes "Soul Crushing Dysphoria" as aunt Fara put it. So the only way to remedy this (since the brain cannot be changed... And morally probably shouldn't be changed even if it could) is to make the body match the mind. This is known as transition.

For many Trans* people, transition is the only way they can be happy and truly feel like themselves. It's not a choice so much as an escape from a pit or haze of horrible feelings one can't even properly articulate.

I hope this clarified the issue. If not, comment again with anything you'd like me to explain in greater detail.

Forgive typos. This was written via phone at 1:24am ^_^;;

Sorry Jocelyn! I'll step back into lurker mode and let you continue to educate via my personal favorite webcomic. :)

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February 3rd, 2013, 5:26 am

Or (Guest)

Tl:dr

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Gender is masculine and feminine.

Sex is male and female.

It's why it's called SEX reassignment surgery.

For example, a tomboy could be more masculine then feminine, but still female.

Unfortunately, it's sometimes harder for them or others to figure out if they're just a tomboy or really a boy in a girl's body.

It's also where the confusion of trans=gay comes in. This is due to stereotypical gay men being very feminine. It's possible to be both, but it is two different things.

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February 3rd, 2013, 11:03 am

Haldo (Guest)

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I've been thinking about creating a webcomic that explains gender using a fantasy background... Conversations like this make me really want to go for it, but there's also a completely unrelated comic I want to pursue :/

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February 3rd, 2013, 12:21 pm

LittleLynn84

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@Melodyrae:
You don't need to apologize for commenting; I ALWAYS welcome commentary. Your input is welcome, and I think you worded it incredibly well for 1:24 AM.

@Haldo:
I wholly support that idea. Someday, when "Rain" is finished (don't worry, that's a long ways away), I have plenty of plans for other stories involving transgendered characters myself (most of them fantasy). As it is, THIS story was almost a fantasy.

So whatever project you pursue, I wish you the best.

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February 3rd, 2013, 3:11 pm

Allie (Guest)

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Please let Aiken get bloodied by both of them before they kick him out

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February 3rd, 2013, 3:17 pm

Allie (Guest)

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@Jeremy: You only think that because you've never experienced any conflict between the gender people see you as (based on your sex assignment, based on your genitals) and your actual gender. I don't know if that's because you're cisgender (ie, your gender coincides with your sex assignment) or because you're agender (ie, you don't have an actual gender for it to clash with... for the record as a gendered person myself I don't know if agender people feel or can feel dysphoria, so I hope any agender people reading this will forgive me if I've got it wrong), but either way its an assumption born of ignorance if not necessarily privilege, and it essentially dehumanises a lot of people so you should get an education (quick, ish)

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February 3rd, 2013, 3:34 pm

Allie (Guest)

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@Guest: Eira isn't the one who brought prescribed gender roles into it. In fact, Eira explicitly and quite rightly rejected the idea that gender roles have any more validity than genital-based gender assignment. You're also getting gender mixed up with sex.

As for the whole tone policing thing, maybe you should be saying this stuff to Jeremy, if he wants to be accepted in this world as a bigot he's gonna have to deal with way "worse" than Eira. I'm all for educating even the most hard-line bigots, which absolutely isn't what Jeremy is. Ideally, we should eliminate bigotry entirely through education. But being *obliged* to put up with it? Fuck that. I'd honestly rather get rid of the bigots than oblige anyone to respond civilly to bigotry. I'd certainly rather the bigots not feel empowered to be bigoted than the marginalised not feel empowered to respond angrily.

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February 3rd, 2013, 5:46 pm

Morrigan (Guest)

Correction~

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@Jeremy: Actually, GENDER refers to whether you identify as masculine or feminine. SEX refers to your genitals. Thanks to my Gender/Women's Studies prof. in college. ^_^

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February 4th, 2013, 1:36 am

Allie (Guest)

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@Morrigan: hmm, not quite - masculine or feminine (or not, or sometimes, or both, etc etc) is whats called gender expression. Gender is male/female/etc etc

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February 4th, 2013, 9:34 am

Alyce

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@LittleLynn84: Well I think this was pretty much inevitable. Aiken wasn't trying to be understanding so much as bottling up his emotions. Doing so pretty much guaranteed this little blow up had to happen.

What I'm hoping is he will open his eyes and see some sense. Rain is still his little sister after all. I think Aiken's anger is more due to being lied to by his ex than truly being prejudiced against trans folk. At least I hope so.

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February 4th, 2013, 6:08 pm

Agender (Guest)

Don't worry

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I don't have a gender. I just do what I do and don't care. If I changed sex it'll be like changing clothes. It is interesting and fun but I don't view gender as part of my identity.

Which makes reading this comic and other gender benders so interesting. People care about their gender and sex lining up which is a curiosity to me. Either by birth or by accident, when these characters are the wrong sex on the outside it's interesting to see.

But sometimes I just don't understand human behavior. More precisely "normal" people behavior.

Or maybe I'm just that adaptable...

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March 25th, 2013, 10:34 pm

Eliot (Guest)

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Go Rain! You/Aunt Fara tell him like it is!!! :D

Also, unrelatedly, I got a big kick out of this: "Having a penis doesn’t necessarily make you a man. Having a vagina doesn’t necessarily make you a woman. Period." Because when I read it, I thought there was going to be something about periods because of the topic, but then I thought: end of sentence, also "Jeez older bro stop having your man period." I laughed a lot.

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April 20th, 2013, 11:29 pm

kasey (Guest)

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Thats what i said while playing pokemon before i came out

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July 7th, 2014, 2:48 pm

Dramatic Rain Announcer (Guest)

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We now return to:

ANUT FARA DOLES OUT THE HARSHNESS

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August 1st, 2015, 11:39 pm

TallMist

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It's official. I hate Aiken. I'd probably punch his gut in if I could.

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February 12th, 2016, 1:21 pm

Charlotte057

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HOW COULD YOU???? WHAT THE ACTUAL FLIP???????? THE NERVE!!! WHAT A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING! WHAT IS WRONG WITH HIM? IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT SHE IS NOT!!!! DFNJDSBHJFRBHWFHU WHAT A JERK >:( >:(

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