Oh man! I am SO glad to finally get this out there. I feel like I planned this forever ago.
People have been demanding a character of this sort for a while. I'm certainly happy to accommodate too! Of course, this has been planned for a long time, but I needed the right time to bring it up and make it work. Not to mention, because there IS a lot of confusion as to what it actually means, I wanted to make sure I could explain it properly alongside the reveal (alongside the mention of a few common misconceptions).
I... hope I achieved all of this.
[EDIT] - Please stop sending me links or trying to teach me how wrong I am (or in the handful of extreme cases, accusing me of things I never said or outright attacking me; yes, that's happened). For every person telling me the description on the above page is wrong, there is another telling me it's right. I'm not saying that makes me right. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. I've done research though and I know plenty of people who identify by these labels, and this was simply the answer I came to. That said, according to other commentary I've read, there is more than one possible definition which can vary depending on the individual, or where or when someone learned it. And according to another source, even professional sex educators and academic sexologists can't agree on the definitions.
However, given that accuracy and not offending people is very important to me, I'm going to get to the bottom of this. I will be continuing to research and will alter the page's dialogue in the future. Please be patient. It might not be immediate, as this is proving to be an extremely complex and sensitive subject. You don't need to remind me that it's wrong, because I'm already working on it.
Thank you for your patience and your cooperation.
Rain, all characters and all other aspects of the story are copyright material belonging to me.
I feel a bit bad to bring the bi vs pan debate here, but Emily's definitions are bothering me. Bisexual doesn't have to mean male/female. That's nowhere in the word. Bi is simply two, so it could also be attraction to girls and agender people, or boys and genderqueer people or every other combination.
But most bisexual people I know (including myself) go by a even wider definition: attraction to people of the same gender and to people of other genders.
Yes, that does make it basically the same as pansexual (though some people define pan a bit differernt), so mostly it is just a matter of individual taste if one identifies as bi or pan.
I love this comic! But that's not what bisexual means. we can be attracted to people of non-binary genders too!
I think Rain sees opportunity here. ROMANTIC opportunity.
Or maybe she just thinks its cool that her friend has stated that she officially has no problems with trans folk.
Sweet i love this
Rain has been putting off revealing her gender for a while, this might be an interesting development.
Rain now is the time to tell Emily. She has trusted you with so much and I highly doubt she's the judgy type.
I think really this is what Rain was waiting for. Like she wanted to Tell Emily but she never got the chance and chickened out. Makes sense now how Emily knows about all this. So Rain. What is your next move.
Thank you, Jun and Ari, because I didn't know that about bisexuality.
Also, I would just like to take this opportunity to say I KNEW IT! KNEW IT, KNEW IT, KNEW IT, KNEW IT! XD
Just jumping in here to also throw my two cents in! Bisexuality is defined by attraction to the same sex and different sexes, not just attraction to cis men and women~ The real main difference between the pan and bi identities is the community around them~
I like Emily more and more as the story goes on
The more we learn about Emily the greater I like her character. In the beginning of the story maria
was bad mouthing the hell out of her. That she was wicked incarnate. Now we know that's BS
I hate to say it in the near future rain is going to have to call maria on her treatment of Emily.
Love was seen for the whole story Emily done a damn thing maria. maria is one step away from physical violence
think how she treated her at the New Year's party. Even the other guests were uncomfortable maria actions
I think where the point that the disagreement has to be known now. maria can't use the excuse that she's close
minded she's in fact, the most open-minded person the whole cast And then some.
Personally, the more I learned about Emily the more I'm hate maria , which I'm finding surprising
I guess we'll see how things turn out
I'm calling it now. The thing that happened that made Maria hate Emily has something to do with the reveal on this page, possibly coupled with Maria's homosexuality.
Interesting development! I've seen different bisexuals describe their identities in different ways, including attraction to two genders and attraction to two or more genders, but what Emily said is in fact an accurate reflection of how a lot of pansexuals describe it. So, it doesn't bother me that she described it that way.
I'm really curious about why Emily and Maria don't get along now. I'd thought it was because of Emily being intolerant in some way, but maybe it was just a misunderstanding? I'm not mad at Maria for being mad, though.
I'm thinking Rain either is attracted to Emily or seriously considering coming out to her, or both.
Aww, I was looking forward to a steamy Emily/Pan scene ;)
I suppose that could be literally steamy, heh.
In response to the bi/pan debate, IMO the most important distinction is that pan is explicit about nonbinary gender, whereas bi is not explicit (meaning that it is more subject to interpretation). Of course, pan has downsides that Emily points out well here -- it's just not common for people to know what it means. (Though I suppose that's okay if you enjoy teasing people with imaginary fetishes ;)
I don't think we should rush to the assumption that Emily did nothing wrong. What we are seeing here is really evidence that, if she did do something offensive, it probably wasn't actually homophobic, but could still be a major miscommunication. Picking sides here is premature.
Looking forward to seeing how Rain responds to this revelation in the (next?) comic.
Emily was acting extremely contrite at New Year's. I don't think there is a doubt at all that she did something to deserve Maria's spite. The thing is, though, is that a few poor decisions, even if they're exponentially bad, don't make us bad people, but they do give others every right to be angry with us until we apologize (and notice that Maria hasn't been as angry since that happened). I don't think we should be judging Maria so harshly right now, especially since we don't know why she was so upset with Emily.
As for the issue with Emily's definition of bisexuality, no, it's not correct, but it's possible that Emily's character, not the author, is the one confused. I kinda think this may be a characterization thing, because Emily (although she was well-meaning) HAS given flawed/limited definitions of sexualities before (i.e., asexuality.) It's possible the character is living with some misconceptions and that this will be addressed later in the story.
I didnt know what pansexual meant until now. Thanks for clearing that up.
It really doesn't matter what the actual definition of anything is. It is totally reasonable that the characters don't have perfect definitions, and sexuality is pretty much on a per-person basis anyways, although many people share similar sexualities
@Pacce: I ship it.
Thanks LittleLynn, I quit liked this page, I did wonder if Emily might be, and for me (and possibly the only person lol) her definition fits for me.
Might not everyone else, but sexuality and orientation is such a wide and varying subject you can never please everyone. (For many bisexuals, Emily's definition of pan fits them and that's cool, but it didn't fit for me.)
Also I can't help but wonder why Emily revealed herself as Pan. Other than the group seem cool with it, part of me wonders if it might potentially have something to do with that conversation at school when Emily found out that Rain liked blondes and the group then went through what Emily X Rain's shipping name would be. (It's probably not, but I know if I've ever been shipped with someone I at least considered them as a person and then chuckle if it's a crazy suggestion. Hahaha)
There are so many different things out there and different meanings and just so much out there. Myself im TG and i hate the word transsexual but thats me and on the comic, definately time for rain to come out to her, like you wont get a better chance i think.
Bisexuality and pansexuality May we'll mean different things to the different people depending on how they as a person feel and the labels official meaning on the matter is kind of irrelevant.
Hey cool! I'm pan too! I really like your web comic and I look forward to the updates. You are very talented.
Honestly being Bi myself I'm troubled by Emily's definition, as it's a problematic one which plagues the Bi community and muddies the waters for those figuring out how they identify, trying to gain information on bisexuality, etc.
Bi erasure is very much a "thing" and unfortunately in many spaces it is a case of the "GGGG" movement - even some people with direct involvement of many aspects of LGBTQIA deal in bi erasure and continue to perpetuate these stereotypes. I'd appreciate if everybody who has an understanding of any LGBTQIA issue please not keep perpetuating these harmful and damaging definitions and stereotypes.
I have a lot more to say on this subject but considering my girlfriend's comment was similarly descriptive yet somehow magically caught by the spam filter on here, and most of the (more recent) comments I can see here are from people in agreement with Emily's views, I won't waste too many words in case my comment too is "lost".
In any case, I hope this is just a case of Emily's mis-understanding of "Bi" and not a reflection on the author, who has clearly put a lot of time into researching and understanding these issues.
Many people do not understand the issues that we as a community face and I absolutely believe that it's fine to show homophobia, transphobia, sexism, racism, and all other related issues in works of media and art as it draws attention to the current issues in society and challenges us to address them. Censorship is a terrible thing, but we really should work hard to avoid perpetuating negative stereotypes or misinformation.
Just my 0.02 and please don't take any offence from anything I've written, and if I've caused any then I apologise. it's certainly not my intention to start a flame war or try to invalidate others' perspectives or their own definitions, nor is it my intention to question the author. Just putting my opinion out there as an affected individual and hoping to make a positive difference to the Bi community :).
I want to tell you I am a long time fan of rain (I actually stumbled on this only a month after your first instillation) I know you work really hard to not offend anyone. I wanted to help you with looking for answers, bi really is an umbrella term so yes you are correct but also incorrect with how Emily defined it. Granted Bi does mean attracted to TWO genders. Pansexual is actually the attraction to the person regardless of gender. You are attracted to their personality so in a way you were close but your description was much closer to omnisexual. Which as the name points out is an attraction to all genders. I really hope this helps to clarify. Also so I do not get any haters I am including romantic attraction in as well as physical attraction. I am a-sexual myself but am pan-romantic.
Will you ever have a polyamorous character? I don't imagine so, but with everything else represented, it'd be nice to see.
Seems like a lot of people are being pedantic for the sake of being pedantic. That's pretty much the definition of pansexual. Liking men and women is considered being bisexual. I'm sure you all feel like wonderful special snowflakes being bisexuals or pansexuals with your own definitions, but the dictionary definition is just that, the actual definition. I'm sure even straight people have different definitions of what exactly qualifies as straight, but you can't please everyone, and you've done a perfectly fine job with your definitions as is.
@LittleLynn84: Welllll, bi is often used to mean pan precisely because other people won't know what pan means. But yeah :)
Of course, neither intersex nor transgender are non-binary identities in themselves. But I'm sure you know that :P
On the one hand, it seems the bisexual community pretty universally defines it as being "attraction to one's own gender and also other genders". Not the two binary genders, not exactly two genders, but the duality of "self" and "not self". (So if you're attracted to exactly two genders but neither of those genders are yours, you're not bisexual, despite the clear presence of a two.)
On the other hand, a lot of people who ID as pansexual (including me, once upon a time) make the exact mistake Emily did, so you could pretty easily leave the dialogue as-is and say it was an in-character error. Like yeah it was your mistake too, but editing the dialogue isn't *strictly* necessary to fix it.
LOL, this is why I just tell everyone I'm bi (plus I like the bi pride colors XD). Bisexual is still a relatively new word to the general public. So to try and tell someone you're pansexual, usually involves, as Emily has shown, an explanation of what that is. I know that I'm attracted to people regardless of gender, and if people who only think of gender as binary want to label me bi, that's fine. I'm not gonna split hairs. I know some people might tell me I need to educate the uninformed, but as much as I like organizing things, I don't feel people need to be catergorized. There's just too many variables; too much diversity. So, Pan, Bi, whatever you want to classify me as, I'm still just Jessica.
I seem to be attracted to androgyny. Which does not really include people who are on either the feminine or masculine end of the scale. Since that would be basically confined to agender/third gender people, genderqueer people, and genderfluid people, would that make me... trisexual? ... I like it. Correct me if I'm off! I'm always up for learning.
I love my pan too. It makes pancakes and fried eggs and sausages...hmmm..
Heh, the little imagine spot of Emily with a pan cracks me up.
Your bold edit is why I don't attach labels to myself beyond name, rank, and Power Ranger color. And White Mage.
Yeahh...this is where I draw the line. I only stuck with the story this far because of the characters and their interactions and although the story was interesting enough for me to look past some of the weird gender social justice jargon like this is just cringy. I mean look at the comments even amongst yourselves you don't know what stuff like "pansexual" means. It's ridiculous and everytime I see the term "cis" brought up I just ughh a little inside lol This story was interesting and I like the characters but I think I'm done with it. It doesn't really matter but it's just my two cents. Thanks for the read, it kept me up all night lol
Hey Jocelyn, I know you said to be patient, but it's been a while, and I've learned more about bisexuality since I last saw this. It would be great to have some room for the "same and different genders" definition here. Because apparently in would-be-inclusive groups, bi people get accused of "reinforcing the gender binary" a lot, as if bisexuality did this more than homo- or heterosexuality, which do refer to "same" and "different". So, even though this can be what Emily thinks, since this comic is so accessible and educational I still wish you could find a way to not set "bisexual = binary" too firmly into readers' minds.
One thing that bothers me - you know, just to add to all the complains on this page, haha - is that I have never ever seen someone explain pansexuality without making the pan joke. The connection is just getting ingrained in my brains: pansexuality is related to to cooking ware. It's ridiculous and counterproductive > ~ <
Uhm, yeah, as always, love your comic, keep it up XP
Yes! Pan representation!!! Also, isn't bisexuality just attraction to two genders?
@Player Z: what the hell? It's not cringy social justice stuff just representation :(