Joy vs. Pain

posted June 9th, 2014, 6:34 am


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June 9th, 2014, 6:40 am

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Following her "judgment" talk on the last page, Chanel shares a little of her past. Poor kid. That said, she's demonstrates an admirable spirit and a lot of resilience.

And again, the waiter was not initially in the script. But I like his inclusion as it lightens the mood. Actually, he also adds n unique third party viewpoint that is uncommonly accepting. Weirded out? Sure. But it's not like he's kicking them out or doing anything stupid like that.


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June 9th, 2014, 8:01 am

Allie (Guest)

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lol @ the waiter's timing

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June 9th, 2014, 8:37 am

Devin (Guest)

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The waiter is my new favorite character because of his uncanny timing.

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June 9th, 2014, 8:55 am

Nesagsar (Guest)

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I think that waiter would have the exact same reaction if he came back to a straight couple kissing. He just doesn't want to kill the moment, and that makes him a good guy.

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June 9th, 2014, 9:42 am

Princesvivian

Yup, Yup.

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Loved the waiter. Second, loved this chapter. It explains my ENTIRE LIFE in one thing. But the best part is how sweet this was!!!

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June 9th, 2014, 4:14 pm

Lenn

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@Nesagsar: I was thinking the same.

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June 9th, 2014, 6:02 pm

ClaireD

Wow

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I am suprised to see how the waiter reacted, and decided to be ok with it, which really made me the more happier to read this!

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June 9th, 2014, 8:55 pm

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amazing how many people you've seen so far which would have a problem with
those two dating in public. thinking of the end of the world or something.

But then see the waiter a person working a day job. and he doesn't have problem with it at all. it puts stark contrast toward all the crap other than saying up until now, especially school bosses

as for waiters and waitresses that the correct term right. The better ones in the profession are trained not to interrupt
couples and families when they're having a moment. Atmosphere and fun and acceptance. What makes restaurants.
gives what they need most repeat business

I'm just glad the final sees someone in a position of authority or an adult here it isn't a total complete jerk when it comes to relationships shown in the comic. to many, we've seen here so far are frankly hate feel or ignorant jerks


So bottom line, bravo to you I so hope to see our new hero has more lines in the future

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June 10th, 2014, 4:34 am

Allie (Guest)

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@Nesagsar: Yeah, I thought the same

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June 10th, 2014, 7:15 am

Anon (Guest)

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Don't particularly like the first strip, because it sounds just like something out of extremist feminist fantasy narrative.
"Grabbed my chest and called me slut" that basically happens as rarely as rape IRL since there are other people and police around.

Other than that, cute 2nd strip.

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June 10th, 2014, 3:41 pm

Lenn

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@Anon:
"basically happens as rarely as rape"

One woman in five will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime, approx. 60% of which occurred to minors. That doesn't even take into account male rape victims and certain transgendered individuals.

If sexual harassment takes place that often, then it's a huge problem.

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June 10th, 2014, 9:10 pm

LittleLynn84

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@Anon:

What Lenn said. It's not rare at all.

I also want to add in regards to: "it sounds just like something out of extremist feminist fantasy narrative".

You can choose to believe me or not, but the story is written from the personal testimony of someone close to me. The "fantasy" is that the real life person isn't asexual and didn't go to Catholic school. But the actual situation did happen to her and still can and does happen to others.

People or police are not always around (this kind of thing, more often than not, happens in private situations) and they don't always help (especially recently, I see a lot of blame falling on the victim).

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June 11th, 2014, 9:59 am

Moon Goddess

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@Anon

You know what, You're right, it does happen about as rarely as rape.

ALL THE FREAKING TIME!

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June 11th, 2014, 10:03 am

Anon (Guest)

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These 1-in-5 and 1-in-4 statistics have been disproven time and time again. They're basically agenda-pusher tools.
The real ratio is more close to 1 in 2000 actually (which is still horrible tho, no question, but I just do not condone faking numbers).

It's sad that it happened to you friend Lynn, but I do not see victim-blaming at all in my country.

There's been a lot of debate around the entire "slut walk" issue, and sadly the notion that mentioning anything that puts any responsibility on the victim is "victim blaming" and to be dismissed has become the dominant one - and I honestly can't stand it.

I see it like this: If you walk around on a construction site and a brick hits your head and you are in a coma, are you to blame because you didn't wear a helmet? No, the worker who accidentally kicked it off the scaffolding is! It doesn't change the fact that you're fuckin' stupid for not wearing a helmet though. It doesn't.
If you leave your shop's door unlocked at the end of a workday and come back the next morning and it's robbed blank, then it's still not you who is to blame but the robbers who did the crime.

It's the same with dressing slutty. People KNOW that there are mentally ill persons out there. They KNOW that about 1 in howevermany-thousand men is mentally ill enough that this type of clothing triggers their ill urges (no one is "teaching any men to rape", some are just born ill just like pedos). And then they complain when it happens and people give them the good advice that they might've been able to prevent it themselves by dressing differently.
It doesn't change the fact that the rapist is a piece of shit and has to be hit by the full force of the law!
To me, all this only becomes problematic if the rapist somehow gets milder judgments because of anything the woman did, that is NOT okay!!

Anyways, it implies women have agency, and feminists do not like it when women are seen as having agency, because agents also have responsibility.
They want to be in a state where they are seen as objects without agency so they have no responsibilities, and can also keep complaining about being "objectified".
I also do not like that a large part of the feminist scene is transphobic and excluding as hell.

That's all I wanted to say.

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June 11th, 2014, 11:57 am

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@Anon: I'm not sure where you're getting that figure from or where the 1-in-4 statistic has been supposedly discounted, but, I can also speak from my personal experience that harassment is a lot, lot more common than you think, and it doesn't require "slutty" clothing to provoke harassment, big or small. I've always dressed rather conservatively but that didn't stop boys at my middle school from wolf whistling at me or calling me names. It clearly didn't have to do with my clothing. It had to do with the fact that I had breasts and am identified as a woman and these boys were socialized into believing its ok for them to treat women as something that doesn't have feelings. Chanel's point in the story is that they didn't harass her because she wore a low-cut top, they harassed her because of her breast size, and that's not something she can control.

The point isn't that women are harassed for dressing slutty, the issue is sexism. The emphasis on her *clothing choice* just masks the issue. As a feminist I am very concerned about women finding agency and not being objectified, and I am not taking this stance to shy away from sort of responsibility—I'm saying that her clothing choice should not provoke that kind of reaction from others in the first place. Implying a woman is "fucking stupid" for dressing "slutty" is like saying "Of course Todd Bittner is to blame, he's a horrible person for beating up Rudy, but Rudy still should have known better than to announce his sexuality at a Catholic school." I think all of us here agree that it is completely wrong to call a victim of homophobic bullying "fucking stupid". Why is it with discrimination against women that we don't look at it with a similar lens?

Also, I'm just saying that is a very broad generalization about feminists, lol. There are all kinds of different feminists—liberal feminists, marxist feminists,queer feminists, radical feminists—the latter of which has traditionally been transphobic, which is thanks to a horrible misunderstanding of who trans* people are, which the broader and largely transphobic society in general is subject to make, not just a group of feminists. I would suggest chatting to some contemporary women/gender studies folks—I feel they occupy an underground status in society since I never would have known about them if I hadn't taken any gender studies classes, but I've found the younger, more current scene to be much more trans* positive and inclusive than the mainstream representatives of the feminist movement.

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June 11th, 2014, 12:56 pm

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@A Complaining Feminist:
Harassment isn't sexual assault though (which is what those bogus statistics spoke about). Sexual assault happens rather rarely and also has severe consequences (guy is booted from school or loses job) in our western society.

Harassment is nasty, but almost everyone experiences it. Bullies who want to bully WILL find ANY reason to do it.
I got bullied for being the smallest kid in class all my life and even nowadays people let me know and feel that they think less of me because of my height. It's not sexism that's causing this, it's an elbow-society where people are alienated from each other, trying to one-up each other and have no sense of community or belonging anymore. Just competition, fighting. This is what a consumerist, capitalist society does.
It didn't have anything to do with boys being "socialized into treating women like crap", it had to do with being socialized into treating anyone they perceive as weaker than them like crap. You can sure as hell believe that those same boys who bullied you, bullied other boys they perceived to be "lower in the hierarchy".
If we did more to stop bullies, then the sexist subtype of bullying would stop too, that's why focusing solely on sexism is too narrow.

Also yes, I think Rudy was stupid for doing that, he had nothing to gain and much to lose from that announcement, he may even put his life at risk. Thankfully this is just a comic. I'm all for LGBT acceptance in our society, but you can't just go into a "hostile environment" alone and out yourself to everyone and think that will change things positively all of a sudden. That's just my opinion though.

"I'm saying that her clothing choice should not provoke that kind of reaction from others in the first place."
I agree. But that is how things are. That is how life is, and no amount of campaigning is gonna change it. Mentally ill people exist and will continue to exist.

On the topic of feminism; first: I don't like the term. It focuses solely on women. Even the name itself implies that women are *down there* and men are *up here* which is simply untrue. Each gender faces their own problems and history has shown that the biggest part of oppression has been class-based, not gender-based. If modern feminists dared to approach the fence and look over it, they'd find that the grass isn't any greener on the other side, the biggest majority of men are miserable and oppressed by the elite too.
You sound like an egalitarian which is OK in my book.
Sadly, the feminist movement and narrative are dominated by cultural-marxist and radical feminists nowadays. The "check your privilege" type.
Sure there are many like you who want actual equality, but you are in the shadows. You are almost always too "moderate" to take action.
Meanwhile, radical feminists (often in high positions, very often in academia) write hate books and pass misandrist legislature, giving every other feminist a bad name.

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September 3rd, 2014, 8:21 pm

Soren (Guest)

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@Anon: By 'bogus statistics' do you mean the ones from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention that say that 'nearly one in five women and one in seventy-one men reported experiencing rape at some time in their lives'? Because that does not sound like bogus to me. You can look it up and see for yourself on their website (cdc.gov) under Violence Prevention: Sexual Violence: Data Sources.

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June 16th, 2014, 6:36 pm

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For all we know the waiter is gay or a alien or maybe just wants a big tip or prefers kissing girls to biker gangs who don't tip well.
I hope this place serves waffles....

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August 8th, 2014, 3:53 pm

Jeana Star (Guest)

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@Nesagsar: I totally agree with you.

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December 31st, 2014, 7:57 am

Kimiko (Guest)

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At first I was like, whoa, that's getting a little heavy for a date, but then it turned into this and I'm just ^_^ Squeee!

Wow, the comments turned rather nasty today :(

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June 20th, 2016, 4:02 pm

TranshumanAr (Guest)

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THIS! THIS IS GOOD WRITING! THE EMOTIONAL MOMENT, THE TIMING OF THE JOKE AND THE DRAWING STYLE OF THIS COMIC!

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