Ky's Fluidity

posted July 22nd, 2014, 9:12 pm


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July 22nd, 2014, 9:18 pm

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This probably seems like a really random topic change, but Rudy doesn't want to talk to Gavin and probably doesn't want to talk about Rain (and Ky probably doesn't want to talk about Emily). With possible topics narrowed down, this seems like a next best thing for them (this topic needed to be in there sooner or later anyway). XD

I'd like to make a disclaimer that this does NOT account for the experience of ALL genderfluid people though; just Kylie's (hence the specificity of the page title). In other words, some may identify exactly with what she's going through. Some may not.

Anyway, we could more or less piece most of the information said on this page together before now. But I wanted this explanation to be said straight out at least once. It'll make sense later. ^_^


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July 23rd, 2014, 7:15 am

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@Boyish:

People say the same thing about trans people. "If there were no differences in gender-specific clothing or gender roles, nobody would be like that." I don't necessarily agree. I mean, that would be the case for some people, but I hardly think genderfluidity or transgenderism would end over it. I know for my part, being able to express my femininity is extremely important to me. If all clothes were gender neutral, I'd just end up finding another way to express it. I'd find a way, because it's a part of what makes me who I am, and I wouldn't want that taken away.

And in the same vein, I think if clothes were all gender neutral, a number of genderfluid people would simply find other ways to express their fluidity. There's much more to gender expression than just clothing. It can be a big factor for some, yes, but I don't think taking away the gender specificity of clothing would actually change much.

That's my opinion, anyway.

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July 23rd, 2014, 11:30 am

I forgot my username :c (Guest)

Dammit, sexual orientation. Y U do dis?

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Ky actually looks pretty cute in androgynous mode

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July 23rd, 2014, 12:33 pm

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Is it just me or does this feel like an interrogation to anyone else?

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July 23rd, 2014, 1:05 pm

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@Allie:

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Rudy asked a question out of curiosity (pointing out his observations to explain his reasoning). To which Kylie pretty freely shared this information (more than was really asked, even). And then she turned around asked him a question, which he then answered.

I don't know. I think that classifies it as a conversation.

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July 23rd, 2014, 1:21 pm

Allie (Guest)

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@LittleLynn84: Okay, mebby it's just my mindset today then :)

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July 24th, 2014, 11:29 am

Haldo (Guest)

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This was really relatable for me! I'm fluid between being a girl/femme and being that weird both/neither gender Ky was talking about, and like her, it can be hard to dress for the latter! But it makes me happy when I figure something out. I just wish I could admit it to the people around me.

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July 24th, 2014, 12:47 pm

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@Boyish:

probably no effect. honestly.

I can only speak for myself and my own mind. but for me. it's not about wanting to be treated like, or looking like a male or a female or wearing a t-shirt or a pretty dress. I could care less. it's about wanting to BE male. or BE female. or both at once (it is as confusing and awkward as it sounds.) clothing, shaving, wigs, the way you act, the way you talk. those are all things you can change to make your body image and outward appearance align better. which makes things less mentally difficult.

in my opinion as long as any difference between the genders, either physically, biologically, socially, or even mentally exists you would have these conditions on some level even if copping would be easier.

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August 4th, 2014, 3:05 pm

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Thank youu!!! I love this page because I can relate to Ky SO much!

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September 3rd, 2014, 8:14 pm

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@Boyish:
For me it's the physicality aspect. If there weren't social distinctions, I wouldn't care about the social aspect, and to a certain degree I don't much anyway, but I would still want to transition because of the physical differences. In terms of gender expression, I'm everything, but in preferred physicality, I'm male. I don't know why it matters so much, especially since the social doesn't really, but it does. Because in some things, how my brain thinks my body should be makes a difference, even when others' perceptions do not.
That does kinda beg the question about gender fluidity, though. I suppose for those who want to keep the same body, it IS about the social aspect? Any gender fluid people here? What do you think?

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June 20th, 2016, 3:24 pm

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As a fellow Gavin, I can say that it's always good to hear "Gavin's making too much sense and it's annoying the snot out of me". ^_^

@Soren: Also, as for me, I do very much want to keep my male body, but Sarah definitely does not. She recognizes, at least, that as long as there's an impasse, we'll keep the body the same, especially since I seem to be me more often than I am her, and I know I'd feel physical dysphoria in her body.

It's complicated, but while we'd love to be able to switch bodies at will, we know that's never going to happen (barring magic suddenly becoming real, hypertech, or something like that). So Sarah wants to socially transition and alter her appearance (and voice) to match her expectation of herself as closely as possible. We're working on the voice and making progress, but I'll just sound like a soft-spoken male until we get the clothes, body shape and face right.

I've...got a long way to go, but at least I'm in a safe space for now.

* And yeah, sometimes it hurts to be me, but at least I know I'm really what I think I am~. I know myself for the first time in decades, and that's worth more than a pain-free existence...at least, I hope so...

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December 28th, 2015, 10:22 am

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Oh hey, this was the page I referred to while I was working on this shitty thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_non-binary_characters :p

Always nice to see Ky getting to know themselves better~

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