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January 27th, 2015, 6:19 pm

LittleLynn84

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Fighter Frogs crossover with Twin Hydras? I remember that being pretty good. Still Rain, finish the original before losing to bizarre spinoffs! XD

On to more important matters though, Kellen... just... what the hell? To some extent, we can see she cares for Rain (in a way). "Playing along" shows she's trying to behave for Rain's sake(?). I mean, she's made it a couple hours into the day before really starting to be horrible. But those words also imply that she doesn't even understand why she's trying to be nice. Kellen's had this all explained to her already though (a few times, in a few ways), so why is she still so apprehensive of accepting this?

Is it really because she's still "new to this"? Is it their father? Does she just not understand the gravity of it all? Is it just too different for her? Is there any logical reason at all? What IS going on in Kellen's head?


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January 27th, 2015, 6:37 pm

Snowwater

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I've seen that kind of.. behavior frequently on social media such as facebook, of people bashing the LGBT community. In fact, whenever you think you can't even read something worse, you come across them - today in the morning, someone posted in the comments of a topic about a photoshoot of genderqueer people that "gays have bought the world's psychiatry so that they won't call them sick anymore." Um, what? I couldn't even believe my eyes when I read that. Just as you said, what IS going on in these people's heads?? Of course, I don't mean to say Kellen is as "extremist" as this, but when she said "creepy perversions", it really got me back to this. It's just the kind of way of thinking that I consider the creepiest, and try to keep as far from these people as possible.

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January 27th, 2015, 8:40 pm

Kokochan (Guest)

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@Snowwater:

Facebook and Youtube are cesspools for nasty flamewars and negative circle jerking. You should check out reddit. It's one of the most friendly and tolerant places on the web in my opinion.

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January 27th, 2015, 9:22 pm

a cat (Guest)

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@Kokochan:

Ehh. That depends on what part of Reddit, I suppose. I don't have very good experiences with that place.

Though even at its worst it's still better than Youtube.

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January 29th, 2015, 4:39 pm

SPACECAPPPPTTTAAAAIIIINNNN (Guest)

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@Kokochan:

/transgender, /asktransgender, /mtf are some of the most useful subreddits I've ever seen. No matter who you are you can post any question about your body or others or even just rant and people will listen and talk with you.

Just as well, I have seen some terrible things happen on other places.

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January 28th, 2015, 3:21 pm

Stoodmuffin (Guest)

Holy Moses.

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@Snowwater: I am not the most well read on LGBT. I don't call myself an "ally" because I feel like in some ways I am just as much part of the problem.

But my FAVORITE is when I hear things like "Gay's bought up the world's psychiatry." Like, that is EXACTLY WHY the community was facing distressing amounts of abuse in Russia, right? Let's even consider the fact that one can "buy up the world's psychiatry."
Mental Health organizations aren't McDonald's or Chick-fill-my whatever it's called.

Like, even if there was something TO BE AFRAID of Lgbt, which there ISN'T... the people who make arguments like that are WAY more terrifying. I am ignorant. I admit to it. But how do you get THAT ignorant?

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January 27th, 2015, 7:23 pm

Emiko Wisp

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Kellen why? Just why?

On the other hand Emily for best secondary character <3

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January 27th, 2015, 7:42 pm

The Aussie Bloke (Guest)

Catch phrase of the week:

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Dammit Kellen!

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January 27th, 2015, 8:05 pm

Dragon (Guest)

"creepy perversions"

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That fucking does it. Someone get me some fire, a portal into Rain's world, and some more fire.

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January 27th, 2015, 8:27 pm

The Aussie Bloke (Guest)

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@Dragon: Can't help with the portal, but here; flamethrower with an extra tank, some chains, a big stake and a couple of molotovs for good measure.

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January 27th, 2015, 8:37 pm

Kokochan (Guest)

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You should make something humiliating happen to Kellen on the next page to serve as instant karma for her... behavior. Have something spill on her, or land on her, or knock her over, or something. She doesn't have to get hurt, just heavily inconvenienced. It will be cathartic for everyone reading this webcomic.

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January 27th, 2015, 10:40 pm

Ember Song (Guest)

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Alas, I have seen this before. And quite recently.....my parents acted in a less awful but still bad way when my sibling came out as NB. Acting nice didn't do anything, and at the point where they started questioning the existence of asexuality to me (also a proud and open member of Team Aromantic Ace) I decided to stop playing nice and start letting out a couple of decades worth of wanting to yell at my folks with the moral highground. Forced a confrontation knowing it would probably out myself (and it did, not that they'd know what as....since I'm still on the "questioning but definitely not cis" bandwagon) and called them out. And the response was very similar....an unpology to myself and my sibling, and a decision to start "playing along". Followed by immediately ignoring the fact that I got outed in the middle of this (which is awesome, since it means that I can annoy the hell out of them when I come out for reals). Anyway. While I've never had it as bad as this (thank goodness), I can sorta see what's going on from the perspective of someone who's been on the sideline of this sort of thing. Kellen is just several shades worse.

Kellen is currently faking faking it. When you're faking things, you're acting a role. She's acting acting a role. This is the equivalent of someone going on stage as Macbeth and constantly rolling their eyes at the audience and sneaking a drop of brandy every few minutes. She needs to get pushed out of it so that she *actually* fakes it....which may well lead to doing it for real. She hasn't done her research, but is convinced that her worldview is backed up by....something. A shock to the system may well help this. I wouldn't wish harm to her, but she could definitely use something to challenge that worldview*



*Yes, technically this has happened. I mean something that she can't ignore or argue away. Something *big*. Preferably one that doesn't hurt anyone, either. For some people, nothing's big enough for this...but I don't think she's that bad. There's hope for everyone.

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January 28th, 2015, 2:40 am

Kimiko_0

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@Ember Song: Is it me, or are ace folks everywhere nowadays? Nice to see more of us ^_^

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January 29th, 2015, 9:02 am

Armagedillo (Guest)

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@Ember Song: "unpology" I like that word. I'm going to start using it.
Good luck with your parents. Sounds like you've been able to give yourself the upper hand in this confrontation-that-shouldn't-have-to-be-confrontation.

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January 27th, 2015, 11:26 pm

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I don't exactly pretend to know what goes on in the mind of the people who think like that. But whenever I've had to deal with this kind of thing, I've come away feeling that the reason they react like that is fear. Fear that we're questioning everything they've ever thought of as true, and ultimately, fear that everything they know will crumble if we're allowed to carry on. (yes, our very existence)

Most people live such frustrating lives, so ensconced in the many limitations of this world. So few people ever come to be accomplished, as in owning everything they are and enbracing their uniqueness. That kind of misery loves company. Our (relative) freedom from gender roles is an acute reminder of their losses, an indictment if you will, not of their choices, no, but of the restraints responsible for what they've become. Easier to blame us for making visible the spark of doubt and longing that is inside of them, than coming to terms with the fact that what society presents as ineluctable is wrong, and above all, changeable.

Honestly, lately (it wasn't always like that, believe me), when encountering this kind of bigotry, after the first explosive surge of anger, overwhelmingly I feel an immense sadness that they so utterly lack imagination and trust in their fellow human beings. I've become less wounded personally than spiritually by the sort of appalling cruelty and ignorance displayed here by Kellen.

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January 29th, 2015, 9:09 am

Armagedillo (Guest)

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@r4di4r: Sometimes it's fear. Other times it's just "I don't like people who aren't like me because it inconveniences me to consider other people's thoughts and feelings when they aren't also my own." I've met a few of those...

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January 27th, 2015, 11:42 pm

Arcanist Lupus (Guest)

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You know, it just occurred to me that Kellen has gotten all her information second-hand. Aiken found out, and then he told Kellen. I'm pretty sure that Kellen still hasn't talked to anyone who actually has perspective on what it means to be trans. Emily spent the evening correcting her, but they never sat down and actually explained to Kellen what it's like to be Rain. Aiken's done research, but I don't think Kellen has.

Admittedly, the fact that her first reaction was "My brother's a pervert" rather than "I should find out more about this" speaks rather unfavorably about Kellen. But she doesn't cross the line into irredeemable territory until after Rain, Emily, or Fara has a real conversation with her. (My bet's on Emily).

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January 28th, 2015, 2:38 am

Kimiko_0

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@Arcanist Lupus: Hey, that's a good point. Kellen should do some research.

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January 29th, 2015, 2:50 am

ZeDingo

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@Arcanist Lupus: Completely left field here, but I just misread your name as a Latin joke on Firefox.

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January 27th, 2015, 11:51 pm

Rayna (Guest)

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Whenever you write characters with such strong and/or negative opinions it strikes me as so brave that you are able to make them rounded characters and see the good in them. Thank you for some amazing dialogue!!!

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January 28th, 2015, 1:50 am

Lenneth (Guest)

"Tall" Brained Morons....

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("Tall" to be taken in the starbucks sizing manner)

Kellen's Brainless comment deserves a comment from a passerby/vendor along the lines of.

"You and your sister look & sound like twins" etc

should take her down a few pegs on her moronic line of thought....

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January 28th, 2015, 3:30 am

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While it's not what I would consider a valid reason, it is interesting to get a glimpse of what Kellen's thinking. And it explains a lot - she seemed to want this visit to work but make almost no effort for it to do so. If she still sees it as "Ryan playing a girl", it does explain why she seems to find it so much harder than Aiken to use female pronouns. It also says something for her that she's willing to play along, although she finds it creepy.

On the flip side, that kind of attitude sounds like it would be hard to shift into acceptance, and if she HAS gotten it from her father then just overhearing her quoting it could hurt Rain more than anything so far. All in all, praise be to Emily.

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January 28th, 2015, 3:48 am

Ranger

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Kellen's comments were so painful that the first time, I couldn't even read them through in their entirety.

It took the braveness of seeing the comments section for me to reread them.

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January 28th, 2015, 6:29 am

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For a while I've been trying to put a finger on why Kellen strikes a chord, and the comic Nightmare is actually what finally brought it home for me. Rain dressed up in Kellen's clothes. The original presentation focused on how intolerant Mr. Flaherty was, but there's no real doubt that the clothes belonged to Kellen. Putting everything else aside, clothes are very personal property and I wouldn't want anyone handling mine without my consent. Of course, Rain has severe dysphoria and now has access to her own clothes. Hooray! Still, I'd be surprised if this incident didn't play at least some role in Kellen's negative view of specific appearances, to contrast with Aiken's focus on simple biological essentialism.

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January 28th, 2015, 11:10 am

Arcanist Lupus (Guest)

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@Lenga: My impression was that Kellen wasn't aware that Rain had been trying on her clothes.

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January 28th, 2015, 4:27 pm

Lenga (Guest)

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@Arcanist Lupus:
It hasn't been shown either way. True, Kellen was certainly absent from the scene we saw. But I find it hard to believe that Kellen would remain completely unaware long term, considering how persistent Rain's clothing preferences have been (Aunt Fara describes some severe reclusion). Even if Kellen didn't know, given the pejorative stereotypes she's assimilated, she might well fear that the female relative clothing cliche had happened, considering that with Mrs. Flaherty out of the picture Kellen was the only cisgender female in the household.

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January 28th, 2015, 8:34 am

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I really really wish there were no homosexuals, transsexuals or anything other than the 'usual'. Not because i dislike them, because i don't want them to feel pain, i want them to live life in happiness, if they weren't transsexual they wouldn't have any problems nor would anybody be awful about it like Kellen... Maybe that way i can understand the man, woman difference thing. The skirt, make-up and whatnot thing.

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January 28th, 2015, 9:50 am

LittleLynn84

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@Meep:

I have to respectfully disagree. If nobody was gay or trans or any other non-cis het denomination, there would still be problems. Even without homophobia and transphobia, there's still racism, and sexism, and ableism, and judging people for being too fat or too skinny, or how old they are, or where they're from, or how much money they have, etc. If everyone who is gay or trans were just cis het, I feel like it wouldn't change a thing, because there's (sadly) still plenty of hate to go around in this world. And then, what? Shall we say everyone should just be the same race, sex, weight, age, etc.? Besides becoming an unrealistic fantasy expectation, I think it'd make for a dull world without that diversity.

For what it's worth, as a panromantic asexual trans woman, I am happy. I've faced my fair share of judgments and apprehension for being what I am (and open about it), but I don't regret any of it. In fact, I believe I'm happier because I'm trans. Being this way made me the person I am today. I've struggled, but those struggles have helped me attain a level of self-worth I didn't believe possible at one time. Plus, overcoming them has made stronger, more resilient, and more confident. It's also led to this comic, which I'm told helps people who need it (and I couldn't be more grateful for that). But the somewhat cruel irony is that if I were actually born cis female like I wanted, I wouldn't have experienced those struggles (which I guess could be seen as a plus), but I also can't grow from what I don't experience. I might have had no reason to get involved with the queer community, and I could have been someone just like Kellen. That's a scary thought for me.

This has been a bit of a ramble, but that's my thought on it. Everyone in the world being cis het would not only fail to be an improvement in my opinion, but I think it would be a worse world. Mind you, I don't want a world where everyone's gay and trans either. I want a world where everyone is what they are and that's okay, and no one is judging or hating each other for it.

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January 28th, 2015, 1:44 pm

Meep (Guest)

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@LittleLynn84: You're actually right, i didn't really think it through i suppose. I never thought about sexism and racism and all that stuff when i thought about the hate close minded people have for the LGBT community. I guess it never came into my mind at the times.

I would love to be able to understand humans though... The man, woman thing. I honestly wish i wasn't born. It would've been better for all.

Oh well...

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January 28th, 2015, 5:05 pm

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Also, if we're going to make everyone the same, why does that same we're all going to be have to be cis/het? Why not make everyone gay? Or trans?

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January 28th, 2015, 10:17 pm

Don Edwards (Guest)

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@Kimiko_0: That would be bad from a reproductive standpoint. The human species wouldn't last long.

There are people in the world who appear to believe that would be a good thing... I'm not one of them.

On the other hand, if everyone were bi... no big deal.

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January 28th, 2015, 9:10 pm

r4di4r

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@LittleLynn84:

Loved loved loved your answer, Jocelyn.

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January 28th, 2015, 6:19 pm

Sushiroll (Guest)

Crude imitation of a female voice??

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I wonder what Rain's voice sounds like..

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January 28th, 2015, 7:46 pm

LittleLynn84

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@Sushiroll:

It sounds... italicized? XD

Actually, the idea I always heard in my head was that she uses a very soft, whispery voice. It's the kind of voice I started out using before I started actually training my voice. In my experience, it was pretty effective as long as I didn't talk too much. Hence it's a good approach for the shy girl in early transition. The catch is, while potentially convincing, it sounds unusual and can draw attention to a person (I addressed this a little way back in the first chapter, actually). It's hardly a permanent solution though; one of these days, Rain ought to actually train her voice a bit. ^_^

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January 28th, 2015, 10:07 pm

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January 28th, 2015, 11:54 pm

Haldo (Guest)

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It'll be cool to read about Rain's vocal training. I want to train my own voice to an androgynous tone some day.

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January 29th, 2015, 9:27 am

Meep (Guest)

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In the middle comic Rain looks more like a girl than Kellen. :D

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January 29th, 2015, 4:26 pm

Shiori-Tsumi

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From what I understand, a voice can sound completely different even on its own, depending on whether you're speaking from your chest or only using your throat. The chest voice sounds deeper and is perceived as a more manly voice, while the throat voice tends to be higher pitched and can more easily be perceived as female. I've seen some people utilize this easily, but I feel like it would take a lot of practice to get it right well enough that it's something you can do casually.

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January 29th, 2015, 6:24 pm

LittleLynn84

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@Shiori-Tsumi:

This, exactly. I've actually taken classes and the focal point is to move the chest voice to the head voice. It's actually a lot more important than pitch too. The class also covered a lot on inflection and non-verbal communication too, so it was very interesting (so much I'd never even considered). But that head voice has - at least for me - proven to be the most essential part.

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August 2nd, 2015, 11:55 am

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"Creepy perversions"

Holy shit, Kellen. That's it. I'm done with Kellen. I officially hate her, unless she somehow redeems herself.

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February 13th, 2017, 7:39 pm

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@TallMist: Thank you! I mean, does she even get that she is calling the "little brother" she claims to love a creepy pervert (in quotation marks because Rain IS a girl, but Kellen obviously is too bloody up her own butt to see that)? Can she even hear herself as she says these things? I am amazed an assortment of amphibians and bugs don't start crawling out of her mouth!

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December 30th, 2015, 2:52 pm

Maplestrip

"playing along" urgh

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Knowing what happens lateron in this chapter (so this comment might be seen as a spoiler, I suppose), I wish that this was the moment Rain and Kellen went part ways. Kellen got a good amount of exposure to Rain and everyone is still happy, but Kellen "playing along" all weekend is just going to end badly. But well, I suppose we're in for the long run, so let's see what happens next. Rain still has to meet her favorite author, right? ;)

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