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July 30th, 2015, 11:23 am

LittleLynn84

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In case you can't read my chicken scratch:

Dear Rain Beaus,

I never cease to feel overwhelmed by the love and support I receive from you. I know I've said this before, but I honestly never thought Rain was going to come this far. It's only thanks to you that I have had the confidence to keep this up for as long as I have. I've spent my life thinking nothing I ever did would matter, so it is an honor and a privilege knowing that what I do has touched the lives of so many wonderful people. And even if others don't understand or appreciate what I do, you are always here to remind me that YOU do. I don't know if there are any words that can truly express how much I love and appreciate you all. So let me just say again: Thanks! You really are the best fandom an author could ask for.

Most sincerely,
Jocelyn Samara


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If you haven't heard, this is a response to some hate I've received from a reviewer and another webcomic artist. Or rather, it's a response to the amazing people who went out of their way to express their support while I let that hate get to me more than it should have.
http://jocelynsamara.deviantart.com/journal/Venting-Session-sorry-549877527

People will think what they will. I'm going to be as strong as I can though, not just for myself, but for all of you who have genuinely learned or grown from my work (and of course, those who are just plain entertained by it). I will see this story through to the end, and I will move right on to the next one when it is over. I'll try not to let this stuff get to me anymore. The haters just aren't worth my time.

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July 31st, 2015, 6:28 am

LittleLynn84

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Small update:

The comic artist has sent me a rather heartfelt apology. She seems legitimately remorseful and has in fact deleted all of her tweets on the matter, so I am willing to accept her apology. So for those of you who poked around and seeked her out to say something to her or who were planning on boycotting her comic (despite that all being what I was trying to avoid), it's okay. I know you mean well, but there's no reason to go after her. We're cool. Everything's cool.

The reviewer I'm a little less sympathetic for, on account of her continued attitude through all of this. And if you want to seek out the review and read it, that's fine. I won't stop you. HOWEVER, that said, I would still ask you to leave her alone. There's really no point in saying anything to her. I know you might want to defend my honor and I thank you for wanting to be there for me, but I honestly think the best way to help is to let this all be forgotten. If she comes around, she comes around. If not, oh well. I'd really rather see this whole situation get put in the past, never to be mentioned or heard about again, over being drawn out. Let's just let it go, all right?

Thank you, everyone. :)

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July 30th, 2015, 12:02 pm

Panoctu

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First of all, you well deserve the love and support of your fans and readers.
Also, it is realy low to bash another webcomic and author the way it happened to you. I can't see how "Rain" is transphobic or why we shouldn't read it. I really love this story and the characters and it helped me to sort out quite a couple of things about myself. I can't thank you enough for sharing this story with us and I for myself think, if what you created not only entertained but also touched and even helped people, that's worth more than any fucked up negative comment others could throw at you. Haters always gonna hate, as sad as it is and for whatever reasons...

Btw, your "chicken scratch" is almost as bad as mine so it was easy to read for me XD

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July 30th, 2015, 1:22 pm

Drakanor Dream

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Kinda glad I didn't write it XD my legible writing tends to be about size 4 on the Computer XD

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July 30th, 2015, 1:34 pm

Moonlight (Guest)

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I love your comic Jocelyn in so many different ways that I'm grateful for its existence . I love that it feels real, not just some "everything is awesome" fantasy world with little to no issues. The scenarios that come up with how family and friends might react are all things than can and have happened to people and I think ignoring that kind of stuff because people think it could trigger traumatic experiences for people would be a mistake. I've spent many years confused and honestly frustrated with my identity and its BECAUSE you gave me a story that felt real, hit so close to home, that I've learned more about myself and again I am extremely grateful for you and your comic. I've read and enjoyed a number of webcomics but Rain is the only comic that has helped me truly learn something. Keep it up, you have a wonderful comic/story.

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July 30th, 2015, 1:54 pm

Robyn (Guest)

Touched..

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I learned about Rain from a friend in a "game" called Second Life, when this friend found that I am also transgender she recommended it to me because I was and still am going through a rough time of things. Your comic gave me insight and a better outlook, I am in a position where I am deal with a lot of issues alone, and it was your work that gave me a a way to laugh and see what I was dealing with in a better light. So know that yes you do touch the lives of others for the better and that I for one will keep reading and rereading Rain

With Joy,
Robyn
aka Skittles Koyo Ktaba (Nyanidroid Resident)

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July 30th, 2015, 2:25 pm

Emma (Guest)

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I don't comment as much as I should, but Rain is my favorite out of any of the other webcomics that I've read. (and, believe me, I've read a lot :P) I can't believe anyone would say such hateful things about it.

Thank you so much for writing this amazing webcomic, I don't know what I would do without it :)

Hugs, Emma

(Love your handwriting btw xD)

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July 30th, 2015, 2:26 pm

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@LittleLynn84: I think you did right and your comic gets an A in my book.

I would have gone on that comic's site and write the followoing comment- In suport of Jocelyn Samara and her comic Rain I now leave you and your comic. You are the WEAKEST LINK! GOODBYE!!

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July 30th, 2015, 2:34 pm

Anonymous in Canada (Guest)

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I'm responding to the rant here because I don't have a DA account, and think it unneccessary to make one for a single comment. Here we go:

Some people just see the world differently than most. You can't do anything about it unless they themselves want to change, and that's just how it is (example: Kellen). You can TRY to talk it through, but in my experience, the other person doesn't listen, and the result is just mutual frustration (example: Kellen). The best course of action is usually to escape the situation however possible, and maintain an open mind in case the other individual is ever ready to reopen a dialogue.

Hoping his advice is useful (or at least makes sense),

Anonymous in Canada.

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July 30th, 2015, 2:45 pm

Victoria (Guest)

What??

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I don't know how someone could interpret Rain as transphobic, but that person/those persons are complete asinine fools. You and your comic have helped me through a lot of hard days, and when I first discovered it I read the entire thing in a few hours.

I don't know you, but I love you, and wish you the best!

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July 30th, 2015, 3:27 pm

JRP/BJP (Guest)

... You are loved, as is Rain

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comment title say it all.

Part of the reason I love Rain is because so much else out there for transfolk to read hyper-focuses on the negative sides, or else ignores them. You write this from the point of acknowledging the negative, but you do so in a real way, where it doesn't define the characters. It's positive-focused slice-of-life, where the drama is real, yet can be overcome.

Much like Emily and Rain, You are awesome too. Just as the internet has people who will be downright cretinous towards you, you also have many of us who are downright happy that you are the person you are.

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July 30th, 2015, 3:49 pm

Luvbster

Sorry you felt bad

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Reading this had made me realize that you might not be psychic and already know how I feel about your comic. Sometimes I forget that I have to actually communicate to the people that made the media I consume. And sometimes they need encouragement, no matter how awesome they seem.

I am a cis person who grew up in a conservative household. My parents are very religious; even dragging me to Russia on a 5-year mission trip when I was 10. Don't get me wrong, they're great people and I love them dearly, but they would not appreciate your comic, and probably never will.

Once upon a time, I would have found trans people uncomfortable at best, and gross at worst. It was a long journey just to learn to even tolerate gay people at all before I even considered the rest of the spectrum. Thankfully, my worldview broadened quite a bit after high school.

I was actually writing a story about a lesbian girl when one of my readers suggested your comic to me. I read it and loved it and was exposed to a whole new world I'd never given much thought to. This obviously personal story was eye-opening in ways simply telling a person about trans life could never be. You've made me consider and empathize with people and things that I never would have otherwise. I am a better person for it.

Being a writer myself, it's hard to imagine saying such hurtful things to another artist, especially when their work so obviously comes from a personal place. I would even go so far as to say that anyone who CAN say those sorts of things about a fellow creator doesn't have any business calling THEMSELVES artists.

A true artist needs empathy and a deeper connection to their fellow man (and woman, and everything in between) if their work is going to communicate anything meaningful. I'd go on, but they really don't seem worth the effort.

I'm sorry that someone who's work you enjoyed said something so mean. I can only imagine how much that would suck.

TL;DR If I were your only reader, this post would be enough to prove that person wrong.

Sorry I'm late to the party, but I'm definitely glad you seem to be feeling better.

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July 30th, 2015, 5:22 pm

katie (Guest)

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this comic means so so much to me, thank you for making it :')

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July 30th, 2015, 5:33 pm

Anon (Guest)

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I do think there are some areas where Rain could and should improve, but calling it transphobic? I mean, wow, that's unwarranted. I'm not quite sure what their definition of "transphobic and harmful" is.

Just to be clear about what I meant and offer a bit of constructive criticism, I think some of the characters are a little bland, especially Rain herself who tends to never show any genuine flaws. I also think the comic tends to make passing seem unrealistically easy.

Still, none of that is transphobic. I'm not quite sure what these two were on about.

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July 30th, 2015, 5:55 pm

Arcanist Lupus (Guest)

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And amongst all of these serious posts, I just want to say that I was reading your letter and got to "it's an honor and a privilege..."

..a duty I perform
With due sense of decorum and with pride
With deference and great respect very much the norm
Plus a hint of sycophancy on the side
To lay before my ruler all the facts about his realm
To fill him in on all the beastly news -

Yes, yes, Zazu, get on with it!


Love you, love Rain, and don't ever stop! Don't let them rain on your parade!

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July 30th, 2015, 7:11 pm

Guest (Guest)

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The original "F" review is a really odd take on your comic, IMO. I see your comic as what actually happens in the real world USA. It's not all wonderful every single second being different from the "norm", especially this far different. I think that perhaps the reviewer doesn't get outdoors much...

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July 30th, 2015, 7:57 pm

WinxLover01

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It's even more of an honor and privilege to read such an amazing webcomic! Rain is one of the most amazing webcomics I have ever read, and I'm sure that almost all of the other readers agree with me. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise!

And your handwriting is better than a lot of people that I know. XD

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July 30th, 2015, 8:30 pm

Anonymous11243

I commented on that review

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I commented on this person's review, before they replied to me and disabled comments. Just wanted to tell you that I still love Rain. Their argument against it is basically "there are transphobic characters so the comic is therefore transphobic and supports transphobia." Which makes absolutely no sense. It's like saying a story about a girl being bullied supports bullying because there are bullies in the story. In my opinion, a story that can make you feel such strong emotions is a good one. And you've definitely achieved that with Rain. Keep on going Jocelyn. We all love you

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July 30th, 2015, 8:57 pm

dream meme team (Guest)

a question abt rain

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i have a serious question here. i know nothin about transgirl struggles (im a transguy lmao) but i remember early in the comics, rudy saw rain's.... nether regions. does she tuck? and if so, how TF would rudy be able to tell what was down there? and if not... did that scare her into tucking?

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July 30th, 2015, 9:26 pm

Anon (Guest)

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@dream meme team: I believe the canon explanation is that Rudy has dick-scanners in his eyes that automatically locate all dicks within a ten feet radius.

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July 30th, 2015, 9:13 pm

Aite Nani (Guest)

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I tried to post a comment in deviantart but I couldn't send it for unknown reasons (shitty tablet T.T), so I'll just make a summary here.
Well, I've been lurking around here without ever posting anything mostly because I'm not very confident about my English (I'm Spanish) but regarding the err... current events I felt this is the best time to show my support.
Basically, I read the review and came to the conclusion that the reviewer didn't really have a problem with your comic, but with any kind of transphobia displayed in it, even though it was averted and the characters called out later on. They got triggered and were worried that other trans people might get triggered too, so they didn't finish the comic and wrote the review too quickly (and in a rude, paternalistic way) without considering that triggers and fears aren't the same for everyone. They tried to make a subjective statement ('As a trans person, this triggers me') sound objective ('This is triggering for trans people')(By the way, those weren't real quotations, just summed up examples). They based the review just on their feelings, so I don't think you should worry too much about it. It was very rude of them to word it like that, but that just gives even less credit to their criticism.
Yeah, some people get triggered by transphobia displayed in fiction, but there's also people who like identify with characters who go through it. Transphobic characters are needed to show how harmful that behavior is.
In my case, your webcomic totally changed my view of gender. Before reading it, I had the typical, misinformed, cissexist 'boys who want to/used to be girls' idea about transgender people. Now, a year after starting it, I'm fully aware that trans women are women, trans men are men, non-binary people exist, poliamory is a thing...
Thanks to a character as strong, round and well-developed as your Rain, I've got rid of most of my unconscious transphobia.
Rain LGBT is one of my favorite webcomics because of all the character evolution (Can you believe that I found Rain annoying at first? You really gave her some in-depth that got me to love her. And don't even get me started on Emily and her subversion of the high-school bitchy villain trope!), dramatic plot points (The infamous haircut omg) and the education that provides on gender and sexuality. I think you're the first one who ever made a semi-autobiographical comic about gender dysphoria so patient and informing for cis people?

Well, however, I love Rain LGBT. It does have some mistakes (I'm still not over the fact that the characters don't have noses. I have the same problem with some manga hahaha), but they aren't that big as that reviewer said.

Lynn, thank you so much for your work and for your love and dedication to your readers (really, you're so nice to us).
Also, sorry about the long rant.

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July 31st, 2015, 7:02 pm

Ranger

This.

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^SO much this.

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July 30th, 2015, 9:22 pm

Vamp829

Love and Profiles

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Hey. I love your story (thought I don't think it's any surprise that the hair-cut scene made my stomach drop for poor Rain) and follow it faithfully.

I'm Gender-fluid, but I can't pass, so I love seeing that sweet girl be able to be herself at all times. I know that's never easy, even for Cis people.

The reason for my comment was that I was wondering whether you had any plans for updating the profiles, now that so much has happened for the characters. You know, like making Emily a main character, or changing Rain's picture, or adding more information about Jessica, stuff like that.

I was just curious. I know you don't want to spoil anything, but I figured there' a lot of wiggle room for the information that would be spoilers and all that. That's all, and thanks for the great webcomic.

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July 30th, 2015, 9:30 pm

Bri (Guest)

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I just read the review you're referring to, and I have a feeling this reviewer has no idea what they're talking about.

I'll admit, I read your comic as it's updated, but I feel even if I hadn't been considered a fan I could easily poke holes in the reviewer's arguments.

It seems as though the main argument the reviewer posed was that the source material was transphobic in nature, saying "After she gets non-consensually outed to her small group of friends, these friends constantly refer to Rain as 'he' or 'him' or 'really a boy' or 'physically male' or whatever, and no one corrects them, not even Rain." What the reviewer fails to address is that in the real world this is the norm. Sure, we'd all love to live in a world where everyone is accepting and knows how to react when you're misgendered, but this simply isn't the truth for many people and is simply unrelatable. In the story Rain is just coming out and discovering herself, and like many others doesn't defend herself because she might not know how to, or if she should, or if it's even worth it. I'm not defending her actions, I'm simply saying they're realistic.

The reviewer flirts with addressing the possibility that maybe this story isn't the megalomaniacal fantasy of a transwoman and might actually contain things like adversity and problems that the character might intend to solve, but the reviewer instead says "I’ll never know, because I can’t finish it." A lot of literary works will seem bigoted if you don't finish them or at least attempt to make it far enough to see the progression of the characters.

The reviewer seems to be offended that the story isn't all sunshine and rainbows and deals with some tough topics. The reviewer claims in the closing paragraph "I have no time or energy to spend reading comics that make me feel bad." If a writing piece makes you feel bad, then it's working. Just because the literature touches on a sensitive nerve of the reader, that does not mean the literature is at fault.

I want to say the review simply doesn't "get" the comic, but I feel the problem is deep then that. I'm curious to see that this reviewer does enjoy reading, as I get the feeling any story that doesn't tip toe around tough issues will upset them.

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July 31st, 2015, 7:05 pm

Ranger

Mmm-hm.

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@Bri: I agree wholeheartedly. Though I admit, when it comes to the review in question, I honestly couldn't finish it. I skimmed, but it was just so...bad...that ironically, it was the review I couldn't finish because it was painful to see.

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July 30th, 2015, 10:24 pm

cathyfan (Guest)

not worth it

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when someone makes a judgement on anything based on limited observation (especially when those limits are self-imposed for whatever reason) they are only short-changing themselves.
what the old saying "you can't see the forest for the trees" usually means is that a person is viewing their world through their bias.
until that person is willing to see things as they are without the self-imposed filter,it's not worth it to waste time or energy or put value on what they think.

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July 30th, 2015, 10:28 pm

yar (Guest)

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Do not let the reviewer or the artist comments get you down. They gave you F because you dont fit their, frankly silly, mold of what a transgender webcomic artist should be doing.

The world is not always a nice place, and creating a fictional one where only good positive things happen is a flat, boring, uninteresting tale. Rain takes our world as it is now, not some magical fantasy land we would all prefer existed.

Rain has taken the time to craft characters who behave more like how real people do. The good and the ugly. It has taken characters TIME to learn and grow from their mistakes. It has given the characters depth and empathy.

You do not make the world a better place by pretending the ugly isnt there. You need to expose it and get people to re-evaluate their actions/thoughts, maybe even for the first time. Your comic accomplishes this.

While a real persons pain is always more important then some fictional characters. A fictional tale is no less important in forcing us to process new information. To mull over our beliefs and thoughts. Hopefully to help people make the leap from "<insert group name here> are a nebulous faceless mass" to "thats a real human being i am absentmindly or intentionally mistreating, and i need to not".

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July 30th, 2015, 10:42 pm

Steph (Guest)

Don't Worry...

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Don't worry Jocelyn, just know that you aren't going to please all the people all the time. you are making something that is real and that means sometimes bad things happen. If it was all sunshine and cookies, how real would that be? Every one of us has had some serious problems at times, that's just what it is.
Personally I have triggered a few times in reading your story, but that's my problem not yours. you just keep telling the story as you see it. I'll keep reading it, triggers and all... after all getting through the rough spots gives you the experience so you can have a shot at handling it better should there be a next time. I absolutely love your work, and will keep reading it come what may!
Please keep doing this and ignore the overly critical people, after all its your story to tell the way you see fit, come hell or high water!

Thanks again, Steph!

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July 31st, 2015, 12:08 am

hueloovoo

All the love!

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I apparently missed the actual drama, but I figured it couldn't hurt to add my voice to the many, many, many. I love your work, I am in awe of you as an artist, and I strongly suspect you're one of the most amazing people extant. As long as you keep making this, I will keep reading and loving it! <3

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July 31st, 2015, 1:05 am

Quirk (Guest)

Harassment

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Hey fellow Rain fans, curiosity got me too, and I tried to find the negative tweets (couldn't) and the review (could). I am noticing people tweeting at the reviewer though, calling the review "bigoted", even though Jocelyn said the review itself was not the main issue, and said she didn't want to start anything. And, this reviewer also says Rain fans are sending a lot of harassment. Yes, I think the review didn't give Rain a fair chance, in exactly the way Jocelyn described, so there's no need to look it up. But it doesn't help at all to

A. contact the reviewer to say that they are uninformed and bigoted

or

B. belittle the reviewer on here, and dismiss the reasons the comic may have hurt them.

I mean as much as I don't want to see Jocelyn hurting, at least to my fellow cis people, it's REALLY gross for us to belittle other trans people. The author pointed out that this review was emotionally vulnerable and it's not fair to respond this way. I just don't think this is the way to support Jocelyn.

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July 31st, 2015, 1:14 am

Quirk (Guest)

Also

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Also, while I'm up in other people's business, after further investigation I believe the twitter conversation has been deleted and the webcomic artist realizes she was too harsh. So, in the vein of I said above, let's just continue to support Rain, support Jocelyn, encourage people to give a comic a chance before they review it, and still recognize that not everyone is going to get good things out of reading it. Does anyone even read my comments?

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July 31st, 2015, 1:27 am

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I could have said I care about Jocelynn, but it would have been hypocrite, I just can't even imagine what she was going through all those years.
I could have bully the ones that bullied Jocelynn but it would be stupid and only make more hate.
I've decided to do only one thing :
*hug Jocelynn*
Because love spread like this.

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July 31st, 2015, 6:46 am

Duskfire (Guest)

You are great

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I already posted on Facebook but wanted to add here - I've loved your webcomic ever since I discovered it, and have re-read it a few times. I hope you keep producing it as long as YOU are still interested in it. It's awesome.
And when you finally get the time to show us that fantasy comic you keep teasing us with, I'll be right there reading it.
One of your fans -
Duskfire

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July 31st, 2015, 7:20 am

Gaija (Guest)

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I think your comic is one of the more interesting (storywise) to read.
Why not really a member of the LGBT community myself (though my wife is Bi)
it is a topic I enjoy reading / learning about (sorry if this comes ove r a bit rusty).
Keep up the good work, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise :)

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July 31st, 2015, 4:38 pm

Mia the Slime

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@LittleLynn84: *hugs, hugs, all the hugs* In return for the thanks, I'd like to thank _you._ Why? Well, because your comic takes being transgender, something that could otherwise drown me in depression and suicidal thoughts, and turns it into something I can enjoy through someone else's life, even if that person is a fictional character. I have little hope of living out the life I want to live, at least where I live, but being able to read this comic is just one more reason to smile and enjoy today, and look forward to tomorrow, if only just to see the next page of Rain.

So thank _you,_ Jocelyn. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a similar message.

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July 31st, 2015, 7:10 pm

Ranger

Yeah, this!

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@Mia the Slime: Yep, you're certainly not the only one!

I'm the same, too.

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July 31st, 2015, 5:38 pm

Grenartia

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So, I think I found the review in question (which I will not link to or mention the name of), and I just want to say, that person seems entirely incompetent at what they're doing, and utterly unable to comprehend that just because an artist/writer portrays something, doesn't automatically mean they approve of the thing being portrayed, and that, yes, characters need flaws and bad things need to happen in a story.

As a non-binary transperson, I find your comic entertaining and inspiring and positive.

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July 31st, 2015, 6:49 pm

Ranger

Truly.

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@LittleLynn84: No, thank YOU for having helped me out. I was in a dark mindset before you posted this, because I'm more or less where you once were, and hearing how you were there has given me hope to keep going, that maybe, some day I would be able to be even remotely near as awesome as you are.

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July 31st, 2015, 9:36 pm

sterre (Guest)

*hugs*

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I just wanted to add my support for you. I'm cis so my opinion is whatever, but reading Rain has helped me understand at least some parts of the trans* experience a bit better and I really appreciate being able to do so without just pestering my trans* friends about every little thing. Thank you for sharing Rain's story (and bits of your own).

Also, the person who reviewed Rain has no taste in webcomics and doesn't seem to know a good story when it's right there in front of them.

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August 1st, 2015, 2:05 am

E~ (Guest)

Heh

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Heh, at the risk of sounding like a fangirl let me tell you something.

One of my lesbian friends was pretty trans-phobic, your comic helped change her views, don't know about you but I think if even one person is made to more understand the fluidity of gender identity then everything you have done is not only justified but darn well exceptional.

good work.

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August 9th, 2015, 10:07 pm

Barn0wl

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I haven't been able to check in on Rain for a while and I'm sorry I wasn't here when you most needed the support. But I want to let you know I am with you. Rain is a great comic. I'm always with you in spirit.

Putting your work "out there" in the public like this is difficult, but your work deserves, even needs to be seen. Rain has helped me a lot and one of these days I'll tell you just how much. ;)

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March 29th, 2016, 2:01 am

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while i don't completely understand trans because I'm not, i respect being who you are and i think every one should be able to do what they want so long as it doesn't harm others. DAMMIT WORLD! GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!

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February 27th, 2017, 2:54 pm

Misgenderedgorilla (Guest)

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Honestly this is one of the best LGBT webcomics I've found. It's both funny and extremely sad and real. Plus it's been going for years and it's still amazingly good. I can't even describe it. You're just such a cool person with such cool ideas and such cool ways of making them happen.

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