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August 23rd, 2015, 6:10 pm

LittleLynn84

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So, there you have it. Some of you guessed it. Some of you thought it'd be something completely different. Some of you finished last page's cliffhanger with some hilarious conclusions. But the answer is out there now. Pat on the back and thumbs up if you got it. No worries if you didn't though. ^_^

As a humble personal request, can we skip the part where someone invariably complains about how "unrealistic" the story has become because there are suddenly "too many characters with different orientations/identities/etc." Let me just preempt it with my usual answer: it's really not unrealistic and I'm in fact kinda downplaying it. Sorry if this paragraph comes off as snippy, but it happens EVERY TIME a character comes out and I'm just tired of hearing it. So let's just not go there please, okay? I appreciate it. ^_^

Anyway, getting to the pages themselves, what Heather specifically has is known as Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (or CAIS). I know I don't name it directly on the page, but I just felt like it made more sense for her to describe it in terms of the character.

After she reveals it though, we get some wise words from Jess, who then splits for the time being. Yes, there will be much more on the subject in the future.


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August 23rd, 2015, 6:36 pm

Lynn (Guest)

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For how long have you been planning this reveal? I remember you mentioning a while back that Heather was infertile, and that's some impressive continuity!!

On another note, now that Rain is back in town, when are we going to see the gang again?

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August 23rd, 2015, 6:39 pm

Asuyuia

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Good update :)
My near constant checking paid off, now back to waiting game. Can't wait for what comes next.
Also is CAIS similar to intersexed? Not something I have heard of >.<

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August 23rd, 2015, 6:42 pm

Lynn (Guest)

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@Asuyuia: There are many different ways to be intersex- CAIS is one of them.

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August 23rd, 2015, 7:18 pm

Luvbster

Dr. House

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Kinda irrelevant, but this reminded me of an old episode of the show House. In “Skin Deep,” the patient of the week was female supermodel who surprised everyone by having testicular cancer.

Of course, being House, and a huge asshole, he immediately started referring to the patient as male. And called the surgery "cutting his balls off." And told someone she'd slept with that it made him gay.

Wow. Now that I think about it, this would probably piss me off if I saw it today.

Uh... yay for good comics?

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August 24th, 2015, 9:20 am

Lenn

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@Luvbster: House has always been awful with that kind of stuff. Just thinking about the episode where he 'cured' someone of their asexuality makes me want to throw something.

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August 24th, 2015, 9:34 am

Microrapter (Guest)

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@Lenn: House was a show I stopped watching when I realized that the only thing I cared about was whether or not the title character was going to get punched in a given episode.

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August 24th, 2015, 10:11 am

Anon (Guest)

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@Microrapter: To be fair, House was purposely written as a complete asshole, so I doubt the show's writers ever agreed with him on those things.

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August 24th, 2015, 7:15 pm

Microrapter (Guest)

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@Anon: The problem wasn't that he was an asshole character. The problem was that he was a boring, formulaic asshole character.

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August 24th, 2015, 10:10 am

Don Edwards (Guest)

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My daughter was bringing over the House series on DVD to watch with my wife. On one visit she opened the case and said "Now, where were we?"

I replied "You just watched the episode where House is rude to everyone and then goes a little nuts."

Boy did I get an annoyed glare.

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August 23rd, 2015, 7:38 pm

Snow Lilly

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This webcomics makes me feel so warm and happy! I think it's funny that this comics reminds me that people have more in common than not and everyone have needs, dreams, and struggles even if many people try to hide them and some even attack others for having them.

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August 23rd, 2015, 9:48 pm

TallMist

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Yay for Heather!


(Also, irrelevant, Jocelyn, but I sent you a message here on Smackjeeves. I don't wanna be a bother, but after a few days, I wasn't sure if you'd have seen it by now)

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August 23rd, 2015, 10:26 pm

Haldo (Guest)

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Oh hey, there's a character on Faking It who's that kind of intersex :O And you're right, when you're LGBT+ and you start meeting a few people in the LGBT+ community, there's a tendency to keep meeting more and more. I don't quite know how that works, but it's true!

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August 24th, 2015, 12:42 am

Ranger

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@Haldo: It happens a lot in online communities, too.

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August 24th, 2015, 6:27 am

Robyn (Guest)

Yep!

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@Haldo: Second Life has a lot of LGBT+ members and after I came out I found that there was a lot all around me, I just did not know it till in the same circles as well. So yeah it does happen :)

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August 23rd, 2015, 11:36 pm

Anon (Guest)

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Well, to be fair, it is kind of unrealistic how many characters in this story have different orientations and gender identities and everything. Specifically, it's unrealistic how they all just happen to meet each other in completely random situations that had nothing to do with it.

That said, I don't think it's worth complaining about. It's one of those things I think fall under "artistic license." The story is basically a microcosm of all gender variations in the world. In every story, there is one unrealistic thing that needs to be accepted for the story to exist in the first place, and here that is it.

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August 24th, 2015, 12:37 am

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@Anon:

It's really not though. A couple nights ago, I was at a game night with a few friends including myself (trans ace), my wife (cis pan), two polyamorous trans women (one bi, the other ace), and the nibling of one of them (nibling, being the gender neutral alternative to nephew/niece, because they're genderqueer, and pan). One of those trans women is dating a trans man, who she went to prom with years ago when they were presenting as their birth sex, and after being disconnected for a decade, happened to meet up again transitioned and are now an item. Today, I met up with a long time friend of mine I hadn't seen in a while who told me his brother recently came out as gay to him. Another trans girl friend of mine recently told me the person she thought was her brother came out as trans herself. These are just the new instances that have sprung up this weekend (some of which, I would argue are less probable than anything I've written into this comic). And initially at some point in our lives, we all just happened to meet each other without being aware of everyone else's orientations or identities.

And yes, I realize my experience doesn't represent everyone's. However, in the nearly five years I've been posting this comic, I get one or two people carrying on about being "forced to suspend their disbelief" when a new person comes out... and then about a dozen others (at least), chiming in about how Rain's circle of friends is just like theirs. So it's not just me. The common opinion is, "people of this sort just kind of gravitate toward each other, often unwittingly somehow".

The fact is, in this world there are straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, asexual, pansexual, genderqueer, transgender, intersex, polyamorous, etc people. We can agree on that much, right? So if we can accept that these people exist, why is it so improbable for them all to exist near each other? There are plenty of things I would agree are unrealistic about this story. And I stand by that a few people with differing orientations and gender identities knowing each other is not one of them.

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August 24th, 2015, 7:17 am

Bee (Guest)

Not so unusual

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@LittleLynn84: an interesting thing happens when several of these concepts collide. A friend of mine, transwoman, presented as a gay man in real life. She struggled with her feelings a lot, and when she finally decided to transition she discovered she has functioning ovaries. From gay to trans to intersex.

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August 24th, 2015, 8:12 am

localvigiliante (Guest)

Bingo

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Well put. Almost accidentally even in rather socially conservative areas I have found other queer and trans folks to be potential allies.

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August 24th, 2015, 9:32 am

Chandelure (Guest)

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@LittleLynn84: I've also no Problem with the number of LGBTIQ-Characters. It is at the most unlikely, but surely not unrealistic. And it isn't even that unlikely.

I've only a little problem with the fact, that we have no Cis-Het-Character, who is accepting from the beginning.

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August 24th, 2015, 12:38 pm

TallMist

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@Chandelure: Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I don't find it totally unrealistic like a lot of people would, but I do kinda feel like the story is missing more cis het characters. Non-bigoted ones that we know aren't unaccepting from the beginning. Like, maybe someone pulls a Rudy and accidentally noticed Rain's... ah... male parts... as Rudy did, except this person is cis het? That could be a possibility, though I somehow doubt it.

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August 24th, 2015, 2:15 pm

LittleLynn84

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@Chandelure:

"we have no Cis-Het-Character, who is accepting from the beginning."

Hum. I was going to challenge this, but as I went through the character roster, I have to concede that you're right. Some who become accepting pretty quickly, but none from their first appearance on (excluding maybe the ultra forgettable non-characters, Aidyn and Madison, who apparently have no problem associating with Rudy... but they're so irrelevant to the story they don't count).
http://rainlgbt.smackjeeves.com/comics/1348620/pick-up-line/

I actually didn't even notice this. I feel like it was something I meant to include, but I'm bothered by the lack of such characters myself now.

Ahem. Well, it's unintentional that this was left out, but I do thank you for bringing it to my attention. Perhaps I'll see if I can rectify it in the future. ^_^

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August 24th, 2015, 9:36 am

mmhm (Guest)

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@LittleLynn84:

birds of a feather flock together, amirite? and the idea that LGBTQ people are ~~so rare~~ is a load of BS honestly. we're here, we're queer, and our existence together doesn't warrant disbelief.

keep on rockin', Lynn

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August 24th, 2015, 7:17 pm

Microrapter (Guest)

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@mmhm: No matter how many times people claim they don't believe in fairies, the LGBT people aren't going to disappear!

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August 24th, 2015, 8:40 pm

Janna (Guest)

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@LittleLynn84: Can I just say that the word "nibling" is incredibly cute? Although, I'd be entirely too tempted to call such a person "niblet."

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August 24th, 2015, 11:06 am

Don Edwards (Guest)

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Each of the characters individually is believable, and their situation is believable.

There are actually fewer weird coincidences than it seems - some don't qualify as coincidences (e.g. the LGBTetc community at the school), and others are coincidences but really not all that weird (e.g Vincent/Fara).

At this point the only thing that makes anti-sense to me is Anastacia attending that school; but we know so little about that situation, there are lots of ways it could make sense. Everything else either needs no explanation or has an explanation. (Some explanations are based on stupid premises, but it's canonical that the stupid premises apply to the people involved.)

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August 24th, 2015, 3:03 am

Lux (Guest)

Wow. Just... wow!

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Oh my lord, you do not understand how infatuated I am with this comic! I found a snippet of it on google images while looking for binder advice. That was at about 11pm. Now, is 8:55am, and literally all I've done in that time is read Rain. At first I was disappointed when I saw how long ago it started ('It's probably either ended or dicontinued'), but when I realised it was still going on? Ohhhhh, damn was I ecstatic. Looks like I actually have something to look forward to in my life now! ^w^ Seriously though, it's so amazing to have high school representation, as well as the characters who figured out they were "something else" at an early age. I'm quite a bit younger myself than the characters in this (12), but the way that the non-cis genders and queer sexualities are perceived in high school, society, and even religion is 100% spot on in this webseries. You know, the first thing I did when I finished this comic (so far)? Come out to my brothers as agender. And Jocelyn, you story is so inspiring and amazing and I love your work so much. Keep at it!

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August 24th, 2015, 9:37 am

Chandelure (Guest)

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@Lux: I hope your brothers reacted well and that your live will be more happy.

I hope everyone will have a happy live.

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August 24th, 2015, 3:13 am

Lenneth (Guest)

*Floored*

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Anyone get the Number of that Truck?

First Kellen's "Issues" being simmilar to some of my relitives, now this...

Dang Lynn, you keep this up and I'm going to start wondering if you somehow know me irl...

I was born Intersexed myself. (Different type but still intersexed)

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August 24th, 2015, 5:08 am

Kimiko_0

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I can imagine lots of trans women feeling a bit jelly of Heather's background. And yet Heather's feelings make complete sense. Like Jess says, it's not a competition.

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August 24th, 2015, 5:58 am

drachefly (Guest)

Who's Heather, again?

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Aside from 'kissed while drunk', who's Heather?

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August 24th, 2015, 6:37 am

Anonymous11243

Heather is Ky's sister

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@drachefly: Ky's sister and caretaker. It was in the earlier chapters, probably in the single digits. Heather also drunkenly made out with Fara a while back.

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August 24th, 2015, 11:13 am

Don Edwards (Guest)

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Also, Ky and Heather live in the apartment under Fara's.

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August 24th, 2015, 11:17 am

Don Edwards (Guest)

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My call on footsteps, in descending order by volume:

Thud Thud Thud: Vincent, he's the largest
Clomp Clomp: Emily, not used to walking while pregnant
Click Clack: Rain, still slightly angry plus probably wearing low heels and not all that used to them
Tap Tap Tap: Fara, also wearing low heels but quite used to them

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August 24th, 2015, 4:56 pm

Avistew (Guest)

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Aah, so she did actually find out Jess's secret and was just not stating it outright. I'm glad it was confirmed right away since I wasn't sure at first :P

If I read correctly, Heather is intersex? Or was. That could explain why she's so annoyed about her sibling being agender.

I'm sorry that people complain about things being realistic or not. Regardless of whether it is, those are people who don't seem to find it weird when a story has 90% straight cis males, which is definitely not representative of any population! So if you have it tip a bit the other way around (which I'm not saying you are), it's still not even when taking all media as a whole into consideration.

Anyway, it's your story. It would make little sense to pad it with cishet characters when their story is already told all over the place (and you're still including some anyways).

But yeah. People have their secrets, some bigger than others. If I told you the story of my family (even what I know of it only), you'd probably say it's not a very realistic story :P

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August 24th, 2015, 5:04 pm

cathyfan (Guest)

talk to rain's friend

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wonder what jessica wants to talk to emily about? will it result in jessica,emily,rain,and yes even kellen forming an even stronger bond?

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August 24th, 2015, 11:29 pm

TallMist

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@cathyfan: Earlier in the comic, Jessica said she was going to talk to Emily about Chase.

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August 24th, 2015, 5:59 pm

-_- (Guest)

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honestly i dislike that shes intersex. i was hoping for something else, yknow, like..... some sort of trauma, or cancer, or something.


i just want to know more about ana at this point.

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August 25th, 2015, 12:05 pm

really? (Guest)

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@-_-:

as if childhood genital surgery and gender invalidation from family isn't traumatic? :/

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August 25th, 2015, 12:08 am

Medway (Guest)

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Honestly, Jocelyn, I agree with you that there's really nothing unrealistic at all about the number of LGBT+ people in this comic. I have so many queer friends in real life and online; with some of them, we were friends before we were fully cognizant of each other's queerness, others I met through other queer friends and events, and others I've met in other ways, but in any case, I've found it to be true that LGBT+ people often just seem to gravitate towards each other. I actually know so many LGBT+ people that sometimes I forget that we're a minority. So, really, it makes complete sense to me that there would be so many LGBT+ characters that all know each other.

Also, I love the intersex twist. It came pretty much out of nowhere for me. Her resentment for Ky is /really/ interesting, and I can totally understand why she'd feel that way. Awesome storytelling, as always!

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October 3rd, 2015, 6:56 pm

impotentArtistry

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"someone invariably complains about how "unrealistic" the story has become because there are suddenly "too many characters with different orientations/identities/etc." I guess it could be seen as that to someone who is cishet, but for someone who's queer? Nah. None of my friends are. We were friends long before we came out to ourselves and others, and no one in my friend group is straight. We tend to magnetize to others and get along way better with people like us, so for a comic where the main character is a transgirl? Nope. Not strange at all. Very common, actually. Nobody would stay friends with a transphobe if they themselves are trans, and it's even waaaay more common for non-straight people to be accepting of trans issues and stuff.

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December 31st, 2015, 2:54 pm

Maplestrip

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It's funny how I remember the most recent pages the least well. It was already somewhat implied that Heather is intersex, and you once wrote on a piece of t-shirt art that you found it too bad that you hadn't revealed the intersex character yet (as well as the pan character, which ended up being Emily).

For the longest time, I thought it was Anastacia who was intersex. I suppose it is more rare for intersex children being assigned male at birth when they later identify as female, but it was still something I liked to believe for some reason.

But I suppose now it is final. It is definitely interesting and it means I am looking forward to seeing more of Heather. Also, these two are really great together~

Oh, btw, your queer comic has too many queer characters dangit XP (I kid of course, though I suppose I am mostly just jealous of Rain's cast)

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