All these kids are such mallrats. XD
Also... Ky~! It's been ages! Incidentally, the script called for Gavin's scene to run this week... but it's been so long since Ky's last appearance (and the order wasn't necessarily essential in this case) that I decided to switch them. So, Gavin next week. This week: Ky and Drew. ^_^
Not a lot else I can say about this one for now. How about you?
Rain, all characters and all other aspects of the story are copyright material belonging to me.
Er-hem. I hope this doesn't detract from story-related comments, but as you may or may not have heard, I've got an appointment for SRS consultation scheduled for the end of the month. Maybe - just maybe - something good will be in my future. This also means your help was never more welcome if you're willing and/or able. Buying books, or shirts, or scarves/wristbands, or just plain donations are all very helpful right now. Obviously, if you are unable to or don't want to offer anything, that's totally fine. There are other ways you can help. Like voting for Rain on TopWebComics or joining/sharing the Facebook page can help spread the word about my work. Thanks for anything you can do; no hard feelings if you can't. ^_^
I don't quite understand what Ky's saying in panel 5 :?
Drew says he's still adjusting to - and perhaps doesn't understand - Ky's genderfluidity. So in panel 5, Ky is asking if he can help clarify anything. He doesn't know everything about genderfluidity (Ky has said on numerous occasions that he doesn't know much about it, and that he really only knows how he feels), but he wants to help if he can.
Does this clarify things, or is there something else confusing you?
@LittleLynn84: Nah, it's the way Ky says it. "[..] is there anything I can help you get?" sounds as if Ky's asking Drew what he wants from the ice cream stand or something.
I love Ky! Thanks for bringing him back around again! and Congrats on the SRS appointment, I hope it all goes favorably!
Aww, those two are so cute. xD I love Ky's quip and Drew's reaction in Panels 2-3.
I sense potential trouble with Drew asking about Ky's relationship with Rain. It might just be nothing, but I can't help but worry at the suddenness of the question and the fact that you left it on a cliffhanger. :V
By the way, you previously mentioned doing an "Always Ky" t-shirt, like your "Always Rain" one. Not to put pressure on you or anything, but if you did produce one, I would scrounge together some money to buy one. ^_^
Congratulations on your SRS consultation, by the way!
I've been waiting for this scene for years /exaggerating
Seriously, though, I am really happy to see Ky and Drew again > u < Really curious where you're going to take this story arc too. Too bad we're back to Gavin after this week ;p
1. ...I know I've been saying this a lot lately, but... there must be SOME sort of something going on that we're missing. Some big plot twist or something that's being built up. That's the only reason I can see as to why you'd be putting off getting Rain and Emily together. :P That last scene would have been the perfect one for Emily to be told to go to Rain and tell her how she feels.
2. OMG I FORGOT ABOUT THESE TWO OMG
I had Rain recommended to me about a year ago by a good friend, and I've been keeping up ever since. This is honestly the best comic I've ever read - there's a great story, solid art, and I learn a lot without ever feeling preached at. I can't wait for my copies of the books to arrive, and I really hope your consultation goes well. :)
I have a question about genderfluidity 'etiquette'? I was reading 'Assigned Male' and the genderfluid character there likes being talked 'they' and 'them'. Problem is I find the idea of using 'them' kind of insulting towards genderfluid because I link the idea of calling somebody 'them' as being outside the group (you know, us vs. them).
On the other hand, I assume I should use whatever pronoun they prefer yet searching with Google I found out some genderfluid folks sometimes are both genders at the same time.
I guess my question is - using Ky as an example, when she is a girl would she prefer being called a she and when a boy he or what?
Calling somebody they feels insulting from my point of view.
Sorry if this is coming out wrong - I don't think the English language was meant for this kind of question.
On a related note - I found many of the images of genderfluid very cute and may now have re-define myself as what-ever-I-find-cute-sexual. Darn you manunkind and your need to pigeon-hole everything!
It really is up to the individual. I don't know terribly many genderqueer people, but the ones I do know almost all prefer "singular they" pronouns. That's not going to be the case for everyone, but they clearly do not find it offensive.
What you don't ever want to say is "it". That's the offensive pronoun.
And for what it's worth, while I'm not genderqueer, I wouldn't be offended by "they" either. I'd prefer "she", of course, but I would much rather hear myself referred to as "they" than "he". But that's me.
Anyway, it's never explicitly stated, but my vision with Ky is that he isn't too strict about pronouns. When in boy mode (like in this page), Ky would prefer male pronouns. In girl mode, female pronouns. When androgynous, both sets of pronouns are acceptable. It's okay to refer to him as "Ky" with any presentation, but "Kylie" should NOT be used when in boy mode. Some readers also use "singular they" or gender neutral pronouns like "xe" when referring to Ky, and I don't feel like he'd have any problem with those either. Really, as long as it's not blatant misgendering, the kid's pretty laid back.
@LittleLynn84: Unless they specify "it" as their preferred pronoun. (Some people do!)
talked = called. Sorry, typos.
I feel uncomfortable using "they" as singular because it's a plural word. If I meet someone who likes to be called "they" I'll probably avoid using pronouns altogether, although repeating someone's name many times can be awkward too.
Plenty of words evolve and have more than one meaning. "They" simply isn't exclusively a plural word anymore. It can be, but it doesn't have to be. If someone prefers to be called they, just call them they.
I say this, because simply refusing to say anything altogether can be offensive in it's own right. True story: when I was in the hospital as "the woman with testicular cancer", I had a handful of doctors/nurses who were very good about gendering me properly, but I was on the whole, misgendered more often than not. My saving grace was that I'd legally changed my name already by that point, so at least no one could deadname me as they wouldn't know what it was. But one doctor actually came in and asked me if there were any other names I went by besides "Jocelyn". I didn't understand what he meant at the moment, so I was like, "I'm fine with being called Lynn too." Following this, he just didn't call me anything. It became particularly notable when he was talking to a nurse and referred to me with a grumbling sound and a head point in my direction. I was in a bad enough place emotionally from having to deal with cancer, without having someone dehumanizing me because it made them a little uncomfortable to attach my name to someone with my body.
Moral of the story: just call people what they want to be called. You don't have to like it. Even if you don't like it, it's not going to emotionally wreck you to have to refer to someone as "they". You won't be going home that night and crying yourself to sleep because you had to call someone a word you don't like using in a certain context. But the other person might if you refuse to address them as they ask. Be a supportive ally; not someone's last straw.
@LittleLynn84 and @Kimiko_0: I never thought people could cry themselves because someone used their names rather than a pronoun. I don't mean to disrespect anyone, and it was interesting to learn about the data Kimiko_0 shared. I suppose if someone has a trauma because of people regularly abusing them, anything could be a last straw, but if that is the case I believe that person needs some kind of treatment because not many people will know not to do something that is perfectly innocent to them but offensive to someone with a different background.
Language changes. "You" was once exclusively plural.
I'll grant that I don't like singular "they"; I'm fond of being able to distinguish between singular and plural. But we do need a neutral third-person-singular ("it" isn't neutral, it's nonperson) and I've never yet seen an alternative proposed that isn't just as bad or even worse.
@GabiAPF: Check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they . Apparently it's been in common use since the middle ages and the dislike of it is only a few centuries old. In other words, you're not misusing the English language with singular they, far from it even.
Another reason to feel good about this feature of the English language, it's pretty unique. Most European languages don't have such a gender-neutral option, many even gender all nouns.
@GabiAPF: Look, it's simple as this: If you refuse to call someone what they wish to be called, you are purposefully disrespecting them and their identity. There's no excuses for that and there's no good reason. "I don't like it" or "It shouldn't bother you that much" are not good reasons. And no, I'm not quoting you, I'm quoting what you could say.
@TallMist: I think you're reading things into my words that aren't there. I never said I would purposefully misgender someone or do anything I know they consider offensive. But if someone considers their own name offensive (there, singular 'they', happy now?), they should use a different name. If someone is offended just by being called by the name they used to introduce themselves, then yes, I think that person has a problem and cannot expect everyone in the world to stop using names just so that they don't feel offended. That's like being offended by a color. You're going to keep seeing it anyway, so you should do something about it rather than expect everyone to keep that color out of your sight.
@GabiAPF: As a non-binary person, I honestly prefer 'they'. All of the invented pronouns sound like some sort of stereotypical European pronunciation of "he" and/or "she", or even "they", almost nobody will use them anyways, and there's so many that competition among them keeps one from emerging as standard. The overwhelming majority of my non-binary friends feel the same way. "It" is too dehumanizing (well, except for one person who actually does prefer it, but still), and most of us are neither "he" nor "she" (at least not exclusively). So, really, "they" is the best and only option there is. To say nothing of the fact that its already used in a singular context by most people, so there's obviously not that much of a leap to making it standard, and of the fact that any point about it being confused with plural "they" is rendered totally moot by the fact that our language uses "you" for both singular and plural.
@Grenartia: OK, I get that now. Honestly, when I made my first post on this page I didn't know there were correct uses for singular 'they'. English is my second language, and while I have studied and used it online it for many years, there will always be new things for me to learn.
I had never talked to a non-binary person before either, so it's nice to make your acquaintance.
Anyway, I just want everyone to know that I didn't mean to offend anyone. And in any case, my original idea was to use people's names, not 'it'. I wouldn't use 'it' to refer to a person (not even a baby, even though some people do).
Oh, no, you're good. I'm fairly good at telling when people mean to be offensive or not. Nice to meet you, as well. :]
But yeah, I can totally see how it'd be confusing for an ESL speaker. You've got all these contradictory rules and exceptions to keep track of, and you think you've found one that's totally solid, only to discover its the flimsiest of them all. :P
@Grenartia: Thanks for understanding. :)