Hard Truths

posted December 15th, 2016, 8:19 pm


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December 15th, 2016, 8:27 pm

LittleLynn84

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I think I can actually hear some of my more cynical readers rolling their eyes at how easy and formulaic this probably looks. XD

But is that really the case? Where could this go? Consider every point Kellen has chosen to ignore thus far; what do you think Vincent can say to change her mind now? And is she even looking to redeem herself? I mean, yes, she's here seeing an expert on the subject and seeking answers. But is it to bring her family back together the way Rain originally wanted, or is it in the hope that she can find a way of doing it the way she wants? And even if she did try to redeem herself, could Rain still accept an apology at this point?

All that said, maybe the reality of losing contact with her family is setting in. Maybe Kellen is actually looking to reform. Maybe there is hope for her. But who can say? There are any number of possible outcomes to this. What do you think?


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December 15th, 2016, 9:12 pm

KrimsonNekros

Having my doubts...

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I doubt this is going to have much in the way of lasting impact. As Vincent just pointed out she has to want to understand. The main problem here I don't think she really does. This seems more like she's trying to get the info she needs to fix her brother, not wanting to understand why she has a sister.

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December 15th, 2016, 9:31 pm

Kyle (Guest)

That First Step

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I'm sorta conflicted; while it would be nice to see Kellen take that first small step towards opening her very restricted viewpoint she would also need to realize it still would take a lot longer at this point to reconcile with Rain.

But I guess we won't know for sure until the therapy session with Vince begins

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December 15th, 2016, 9:36 pm

Fairportfan

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"Uuuuhhh ... what's that?"

"It's a clue-by six..."

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December 16th, 2016, 5:58 am

Dzaka (Guest)

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@Fairportfan: "because a clue by four wasn't cutting it"

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December 16th, 2016, 1:48 am

TranshumanAr (Guest)

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Kellen is finally doing the right thing. Sadly, Rain isn't going to forgive Kellen so easily. Kellen has to learn that what she did was wrong, and to not make the same mistakes again. I hope Vincent either solves this problema, or kicks Kellen's ass.

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December 16th, 2016, 7:37 am

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Too late, Kellen. You're far too late. You should have tried to understand BEFORE cutting Rain's hair. And now, only after all this time later, you want to try and understand? Nope. Sorry, Kellen, you are not getting any redemption here.

The only reason Kellen is trying to understand now is because she knows what she did cut her off from everyone else and now she's alone because of it. If she REALLY wanted to understand, she would have tried BEFORE cutting off Rain's hair. But the fact she waited so long shows she's only doing it out of self pity. Well, she should have thought of that BEFORE assaulting her sister.


Too bad.

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December 16th, 2016, 8:22 am

TwinMirror (Guest)

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hard to say.

given that she is surrounded by people who are not responding in kind to her beliefs. and her attempt to "help" the situation was met with tears and anger. even going as far as alienating Aiken, who should be most upset about being "lied to" and "taken advantage of". well either she has to accepted that her family is nuts, and wants to know why, or maybe, really really maybe, that she might be wrong. so she is asking questions.

it may be for the wrong reasons, it may change nothing, it may give her new ammo and attack paths, it may be to late to undo the damage she has done even if she begins to understand. but it's at least an attempt to understand. that is in my opinion never a bad thing.

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December 16th, 2016, 9:47 am

Someone (Guest)

Hair

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If she'd cut my hair, i'd be pretty pissed.
But i just don't quite get why there's no redemption for her. I know she assaulted her sister,and male gendered her and Jessica, but Rain did end up liking the look, plus going to therapy might change her misgendering anyway?? Well i just don't really understand, but frankly this reply is rubbish because there's so little i can say in Kellen's favour.
Also shouldn't Rain's hair be at least visible below her head by now?
And i am trans so people please don't give me the basic comments given to a cis person/transphobe, i just dont get why there's no redemtion.

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December 16th, 2016, 12:41 pm

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@Someone: I don't think Rain quite ended up liking the look. She just learned how to accept the look until her hair grows out again. Her going to see the therapist that Rain saw to try and learn more about this isn't going to change a thing. She already looked into it many chapters ago during the convention arc before she cut Rain's hair. Everything that could have possibly helped her learn was already said and done by then and she still hurt her sister. If there's a chance at redemption, the size of that chance is smaller than an ant or a fly and will take YEARS for her to achieve. It's not in the foreseeable future. And even if she does get redeemed, redemption and trust are two whole different rodeos.

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December 16th, 2016, 1:39 pm

Me (Guest)

YES to Twinmirror

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YES to there always being a chance to learn and change. Going to a trans therapist who is trans himself is MAJOR.

Reconciliation, sure. As long as she is behaving decently.Trust no. Rain should never be alone with her and certainly never sleep over.

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December 16th, 2016, 5:04 pm

Hana (Guest)

Query

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@Me: "Trust no. Rain should never be alone with her and certainly never sleep over."

What Kellen did was horrible, and I certainly don't forgive her for it, but I don't agree with your conclusion.

Rain should never be alone with her? On what grounds? That Rain will feel unsafe, or that Kellen might assault her again? The former is only a problem as long as Rain decides it is so (and therefore "never" is perhaps too strong), and the latter conflates definitions of assaults and the motivations thereof in a massive way.

Kellen had misguided motivations. They were horrible, and I'm not defending her, but if Vincent changes her mind and removes or ameliorates those motivations as a result, she should no longer pose a threat to Rain.

I think that you are accurately describing the current situation, but I dislike your projections into the future, assuming that "never" is being used in a chronological sense.

I don't know your past. You may have very good reasons for saying and believing the things that you do, but I have to disagree with you use of absolutes.

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December 16th, 2016, 6:16 pm

(V);,;)V) (Guest)

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@Hana: Not to get all philosophical here, but there are only five morally damning sins in my eyes. Child abuse is one of them.

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December 26th, 2016, 9:43 am

Hana (Guest)

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@(V);,;)V): Child abuse is a very large category that contains actions of many different severities.

Spanking a child may be considered child abuse. Rape is almost certainly considered child abuse. I don't think that anyone would equate the two. You can't assign a "evilness rating" to Child Abuse as a category, because it contains too many varied subcases within.

Call it what it is. Please try to describe how what Kellen did was harmful, and evaluate on that, without having to fall back on abstract categories.

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December 16th, 2016, 2:20 pm

Miiohau

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reminder Rain has wiki at http://rain-web-comic.wikia.com/

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December 16th, 2016, 8:35 pm

lizard guy (Guest)

blegh

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it's good that kellen's trying to understand, but it seems like she's doing it so people will stop avoiding her. imo, she doesn't deserve to be forgiven. if she is getting redemption i hope it's a long, excruciating process.

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December 17th, 2016, 4:35 am

cganya

Just caught up

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Ahhh noo!! it's the current page!

I just found this webcomic 5 days ago, I have barely been able to put it down.

This story has just been so amazing, it really hits home on so many things. Reading it makes me wish I had been more insistent as a teenager instead of waiting for my "phase" to wear off like I was told to...

I suppose reading this has been a vicarious trip through a more exciting and fulfilling senior year of high school. Instead of the slow torture mine was, Rain's trip through her last year of school is filled with emotion and friendship.

Thank you for making and keeping up this wonderful story. I'll be sure to check back often!

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December 17th, 2016, 10:17 am

Nyani Koyo (Guest)

Consider this...

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Even if she is not trying to accept Rain or others, the very fact that is is moving to seek out more information and deal with things is a good step, even if she does not agree with it all, it might just be enough to allow Rain and others in her family to have some peace.

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December 17th, 2016, 10:26 am

JustMe (Guest)

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Wow... I found this comic, and literally stayed up all night reading the archive. I hope that things can be patched up between the sisters, but I doubt it will be quick nor easy to get there. Kellen lost her place of trust. Assuming Rain listens long enough to hear the apology, let alone accept it, she has a long long road to rebuild that trust.

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December 18th, 2016, 1:38 am

Whirly (Guest)

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God damn it, Jocelyn. How am I supposed to give up my faith in Kellen's humanity when you keep doing things like this?

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December 18th, 2016, 4:41 pm

Don Edwards (Guest)

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@Whirly: Give it time, we don't know where this is going. She may end up being a slightly-better-informed horrible excuse for a human being, rather than on the path of redemption she appears to be starting.

As for Rain trusting her... that won't even begin to happen until AFTER she becomes worthy of that trust. (Assuming she does become worthy of it.) And then it will take a while, because the betrayal cut deep.

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December 18th, 2016, 6:46 pm

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May be old and cliche rule, but i still go by a gold rule of treat others how you want to be treated.....Kallen is so hateful towards others that its hard to not show that same emotion towards her.

While it's good to see her at the very least going to a therapist to learn more. I doubt it will stick the way its intended if at all. She could suddenly have selective hearing and the info will twist in her mind, in order to hear what she wants or simply for her to upset herself.

BUT now if she is willingly to learn, which is a big if, she will need countless sessions. As changing a stubborn or "gotta be right" type of person's view point is possibly one of the hardest things anyone could do.

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December 19th, 2016, 9:29 am

... (Guest)

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When are the updates now? Isn't it meant to be Wednesday's and Friday's?
The last couple have been mondays and wednesdays.

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December 19th, 2016, 9:35 am

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@...:

I haven't posted on a Monday in a while, actually. Currently, pages go up Wednesday and Friday, but I've been known to post a day early sometimes.

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December 20th, 2016, 2:01 pm

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@LittleLynn84: SmackJeeves says its been 5 days since the last update

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December 21st, 2016, 9:08 am

LittleLynn84

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@TallMist:

And? Now it says six days. The Friday post was on Thursday last week though, so that makes sense if you count it up. ;P

So try to have a little faith in me. I've been doing this a while. Today's page will be up in a few hours. ^_^

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December 21st, 2016, 2:16 am

Victoria (Guest)

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@LittleLynn84: Don't sweat the impatient assholes. We're all very grateful for what you do :)

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December 19th, 2016, 12:03 pm

Microrapter (Guest)

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Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: First the lightbulb has to want to change.

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December 20th, 2016, 10:48 am

Allie (Guest)

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I'm probably one of those more cynical readers you were talking about, but I'm glad she's trying to educate herself and I'm glad she's seeking this education from someone who's volunteered their services and is (I hope?) being paid for the trouble, rather than leaning on Rain or Jessica :)

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December 20th, 2016, 10:54 am

Allie (Guest)

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As for Rain, I don't know if she can accept an apology or if it would be healthy for her to do so. It might be that their relationship is damaged beyond repair already. But it's still good that Kellen's making the effort if nothing else because it means she might stop disrespecting Rain & Jessica to *other* people, and might be safer for other trans people in her life to be around, and stop contributing quite so much to cis supremacy as a social system

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December 21st, 2016, 9:15 am

... (Guest)

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@Victoria:
I wasn't trying to sound impatient. I have autism and just like knowing the structure of things, if that's ok.
@LittleLynn84:
Just wondering.
Everyone: sorry if i caused any offence.

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December 21st, 2016, 9:20 am

... (Guest)

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I think people are getting especially impatient because there are just too many things here that we all want to know!
Looking back, that kinda came out wrong :[

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June 11th, 2017, 1:31 pm

claredin

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This is probably a cultural thing, but my mother (first gen Chinese) would never try to understand me so her silly Chinese pride would get in the way of seeking someone like Vincent to learn about trans people.

I haven't spoken to my mother since I transitioned, divorced, and began my life as my authentic self in 2010. I miss the good memories of her, but the bad just totally outweighs the good. Oddly, I still call my ex's mother "mom" and she's fine with it. "You'll always be my child," she said after the divorce.

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