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March 3rd, 2017, 3:30 pm

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Scene end. Only a little more chapter to go (told you this was going to be a short one). But what do you make of this? What does this all mean for the future of the story? For Rain? For Ana? For the other kids not in the know?


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March 3rd, 2017, 3:35 pm

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I'm having a major "bomb defused" moment. I hope that everyone can be good friends and nothing bad ever happens (.w.)

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March 3rd, 2017, 3:44 pm

Sofia (Guest)

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While I totally understand Ana wanting to be stealth, it feels like she's spitting in Rain's face here. The whole idea of saying "I'm not trans anymore" is disgustingly wrong and an insult to those who, for one reason or another, can't be as stealth as she is. She's turning her back on them and pretending that their struggle isn't hers and doesn't affect her and that is not okay.

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March 3rd, 2017, 4:15 pm

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@Sofia: Well, maybe it ISN'T hers...She has the right to feel anyway that she pleases, and there is nothing that necessarily dictates that she HAS to take on the struggle that transfolk do.

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March 3rd, 2017, 4:26 pm

Sofia (Guest)

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@Micahjjg: You're missing the point. What she's doing is throwing trans people under the bus and saying "I'm not one of them!" knowing full well the danger Rain will be in if she's ever outed and basically refusing to have her back should that happen. It's disgusting, morally wrong and marks Ana as a thoroughly irredeemable, horrible human being. She's worse than Kellen. At least Kellen is seeing a therapist to deal with her transphobia. It's obvious Ana isn't interested. And the worst part? Rain can't even warn Gavin about her because she promised not to say a word. That's the lowest of the low. Ana is scum.

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March 3rd, 2017, 4:45 pm

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I think you might be missing the point...

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@Sofia:

That's far too harsh. She is no throwing trans people under the bus at all! Remember, it was a doctor who decided her sex, not a biological mishap. I'd say it's kinda up in the air if that's even considered trans - again, because it was a human being who assigned her a sex.

I'm not saying trans or intersex folk have it worse than the other, but it's not necessarily the same ballgame. One is changing the sex nature prescribed them to match their mental state and the other is correcting a mistake made a human decision - very sketchy human if what Ana said is anything to go by. She wasn't born the wrong gender like a trans individual was, she was born ambiguously and never allowed to develop one way or the other.

And in what way is her not ever wanting to out herself as intersex considered not having Rain's back? That's like saying every gay or lesbian person is a horrible human being just because they want to keep their orientation to themselves. Ana can still stand up for Rain without telling everyone her situation.

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March 3rd, 2017, 5:43 pm

Sofia (Guest)

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@Unknown: She all but stated outright that she was so afraid of being outed that if worse came to worse, she'd deny everything and throw Rain to the wolves rather than be lumped in with her. By defending her, you're saying you approve of that. There is no defending her. Ana is evil.

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March 3rd, 2017, 6:39 pm

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@Sofia: "[..] pretending that their struggle isn't hers [..]"
That struggle has been hers for many years already.
"[..] throwing trans people under the bus [..]"
She's been under that bus herself and only just managed to crawl out from under it.

Is there a point when someone has struggled enough? Or is every individual trans person required to keep outing themself and taking all the risks that brings as long as there are other trans people who might need help?

It's not an easy question to answer. But I can't hate Ana for wanting to leave it all behind her.

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March 3rd, 2017, 7:34 pm

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@Sofia: Ana hasn't acted in anyway evil for the time weve known her! Yes, she's afraid, but not hateful! She has in no way let on that she would out Rain if she herself was ever questioned! We've interacted with Ana a handful of times and so we have no real read on her character but from what we've seen she's not evil, just scared and wanting to be herself and have good friends,

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March 4th, 2017, 9:46 pm

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@Sofia: If Ana does not consider herself trans, she does not have to.

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March 6th, 2017, 9:17 am

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@Sofia: Intersex =/= Trans. The struggles faced by intersex people is similar to, but not the same as, those faced by transpeople. Intersex people have biochemical/physical discrepancies, transpeople are literally individuals with the physical body of one sex and the brain structure of the opposite sex. Intersex conditions can be LETHAL- Androgen insensitivity syndrome often causes cancer, Klinefelter syndrome have moderate to severe muscular/skeletal problems, ect. By contrast, barring mental/outside factors, transpeople *can* survive without medical intervention and do. It is dangerous to lump trans people and intersex people in the same group, potentially deadly so.

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March 3rd, 2017, 3:45 pm

Arin (Guest)

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It seems kind of sad for Rain to have finally found another trans person her age and not be able to talk to Ana about her about her transition or the things they have in common. I do think that Rain will keep her secret though.

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March 4th, 2017, 10:36 pm

Lenneth (Guest)

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@Arin: um, Intersexed are not exactly transgendered, sure they also experience Gender Dysphoria, but is not exactly the same, some Intersexed have both male & female organs, some have ones that are just not the same as "most" infants.

these "Differences" are treated by most in the medical professions as a "Disfigurement" that "MUST be Changed to be the same as others NOW!".

Often resulting in Doctors performing often Arbitrary surgery on the intersexed infant even without the consent of the parents, or they "Pressure/Frighten" the parents into giving consent.

What Ana is displaying is the reaction often seen in Soldiers of "I Just went through hell and am now leading a somewhat normal life, and you want me to remember the hell I just went through and am trying to forget at risk of others finding out and putting me through another potential period of hell?"

Such a person may open up with time, and only to a very limited few, her telling Rain in the first place is actually a sign of a large measure of trust.

I'm going to go out on a limb saying this but, I was born intersexed myself, If it wasn't for the Anonymity of the Internet I wouldn't say a thing about it but if you have questions, I will try to Answer them.

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March 3rd, 2017, 3:51 pm

TranshumanAr (Guest)

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Ana is in her right to keep herself safe, even if she is acting like a jerk. This has been a good chapter and I hope tension between these two girls is solved soon.

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March 3rd, 2017, 4:07 pm

Le Fou (Guest)

Emily?

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What about Emily? Will Rain tell her?

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March 3rd, 2017, 8:20 pm

Don Edwards (Guest)

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@Le Fou: She SHOULD not. Other people's secrets are not hers to tell.

And I strongly suspect that she won't.

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March 5th, 2017, 2:52 pm

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@Le Fou: If Emily ever asked all it would take is for Rain to say that she promised not to tell for reasons that Emily would understand. Everyone in the group understands the reasoning for stealth. They might be unhappy about a member of the group not trusting the rest of the group but the greater concern of a person's safety always wins.

I hope that over time Emily will learn that this group is trustworthy but her decision is valid based on her current understanding of the situation.

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March 3rd, 2017, 6:51 pm

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As for the story, my guess is that at some point the rest of the group will learn of Ana's background, and Ana will learn that she can trust some people with it. Not without more drama though..

Kudos btw on Ana. She's been introduced relatively late, but she's already become one of the most thought-provoking characters.

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March 3rd, 2017, 11:15 pm

Dwere (Guest)

One hitch, and only one.

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I can't really blame Ana for being stealth, but she really should tell Gavin if no one else.
That said, it's too bad there's no logical or at least believable way to get her talking to Heather. They both have similar issues. That would certainly give both of them someone to relate to.
Oh well, spilled milk and all that.

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March 4th, 2017, 12:09 am

Haldo (Guest)

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Honestly I think it's reasonable that Ana considers herself cis, given that she wasn't born with a penis. As for her saying earlier that she would stop being friends with Rain if she were outed, that's easy enough for her to say now since she doesn't really know Rain, but I wonder if she would change her tune if she and Rain became close

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March 4th, 2017, 2:38 am

Zee (Guest)

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It ios wrong for Ana to not reveal her physical condition? Nope, if you think otherwise, please examine your... privilege? (LOL)
No one has the right to judge others like that, it happens and I can simply see that this 2 last webcomics have stirred something into peoples hearts.

Being intersex can easily bring a complicated life and confusion growing up, depends on your gender and how your body is, you migth also identify yourself as trans or not. But for those that look for normalization surgery its common to just want to forget (nothing wrong)
Also, sometimes briging intersex issues among a group of transwomen could bring some jealosy from a small part of them... personal experience -_-

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March 4th, 2017, 2:53 am

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nobody is morally obligated to out themselves, to take on labels they dont feel are fitting, or to discuss their privates with anyone. all the people in these comments saying Ana is a bad person for choosing not to do those things, and choosing to do what keeps her safe, are disgusting. Ana is not harming anyone by being stealth. get the hell over yourselves.

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March 4th, 2017, 2:55 am

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I find Ana has her right doing what she wants. She is not saying she is abandoning Rain and her friends or anything, she is just making sure Rain understand her situation and respect her choice.

Not everyone want to, or can fight the fight. Some people just want to be live in peace not being outed.

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March 4th, 2017, 3:05 am

iAmAPerson (Guest)

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This entire comment section is pretty much why I started distancing myself from trans people to begin with. There is a point where one can truly meld with society and just be normal. It's not fair to take that from them.

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March 4th, 2017, 6:24 am

Sofia (Guest)

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@iAmAPerson: You can't change who you are. If you're trans you're trans and if you abandon your brothers and sisters, you're no better than those who would seek to eradicate us. Do you think we wanted all this visibility? Most of us would say no, but we weren't given a choice. Once same sex marriage was settled, the bigots locked onto us as the next group to persecute and dragged us into the spotlight. We can't go back to being invisible. I dare say that door is closed to us forever. Saying that it's okay to pretend like you're not one of us for "safety" is unconscionable and morally repugnant. People like Ana don't need to go around outing themselves constantly, that is not required and never has been, but if someone asks if they are trans, the ONLY correct thing for them to do is say "yes, I am". Doing otherwise is evil.

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March 4th, 2017, 8:12 am

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"Do you think we wanted all this visibility? Most of us would say no, but we weren't given a choice."

Sofia, if you don't want to be visible, then maybe that means you shouldn't be. There's no reason to force yourself if you don't like being that way. There's no wrong way to be (other than forcing yourself to do something that makes you unhappy). There IS a choice, and that's why I chose to be visible. Because that's what I want to do. But I would never ever EVER force it on anyone who didn't want to live that life. Because I made my choice, and I want others to make theirs.

We, as trans people, fight so hard to get through other people's judgments and expectations just so we can live our lives the way that feels right. We go through all this because we don't want to be forced to live an incorrect existence. Because we just want to be happy. So I think the truly despicable thing is to knowingly understand that hardship as a trans person, and still tell other trans people how they HAVE to be.


@EVERYONE

If you want to be visible, be visible. If you want to be stealth, be stealth. If you want to be kinda halfway open with select people, go for it. As long as you're not hurting anyone, you do whatever you need to for you. And whether your level of openness is based on personal safety, past traumas, general comfort, or just what feels right to you, your reasons ARE valid. You're not obligated to ever share any more than you're comfortable sharing.

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March 4th, 2017, 8:36 am

Sofia (Guest)

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@LittleLynn84: If someone simply declines to reveal their trans status and nobody ever asks, that's valid. If a trans person IS asked and they lie and deny who they are, that is not. The former is understandable, the latter is morally wrong. Lying about who you are is NEVER acceptable under any circumstances.

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March 4th, 2017, 9:07 am

LittleLynn84

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@Sofia:

Then on what grounds are you determining that Ana is "evil"? She hasn't lied about a thing. In fact, she offered a lot more information than she was asked. Probably more than Rain expected to hear. And through it all, she didn't even deny being trans. Her exact words were: "I guess I was trans too, seeing as I wasn't assigned the gender I should've been."

In reality, all she's trying to do is prevent a scenario where she'll have to be asked. By your logic, if "nobody ever asks, that's valid". She hasn't lied. She hasn't denied anything. She just wants to not have to come out.

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March 4th, 2017, 6:25 pm

Allie (Guest)

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@Sofia: what am nuance, amirite? nobody's obligated to disclose transness. get over yourself

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March 6th, 2017, 9:20 am

(V);,;)V) (Guest)

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@Sofia: Trans =/= Intersex

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March 4th, 2017, 8:49 am

Iamaperson (Guest)

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@LittleLynn84:

Thanks you so much for that comment.

Just because I'm mostly stealth in real life (out to close friends and work, which is a close knit community anyways) does not mean I am unable to do my part, either. I take my passing privilege but I also pass it on. I help other trans women work on their voices, I am an open ally and information helper for people I know who are and aren't trans, and I also do anonymous advocacy online.

In fact I spend a good amount each day debating the legitimacy of transgender people with people who are total bigots. I try to give back however I can. However, do not even begin to take away me being almost stealth and claim "you're part of the problem".

Don't hate on stealth people. Being trans gets old. It gets tiring. And for some people, having to deal with it 24/7 for the rest of their lives is a bit much. Don't force us out of the closet.

Give it a few years and see if you still feel the same about being out. Lots of people thought they'd stay out the rest of their lives and tons of them go stealth.

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March 4th, 2017, 6:24 pm

Allie (Guest)

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@LittleLynn84: Not everyone has that choice

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March 6th, 2017, 6:15 am

freyja (Guest)

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@Allie: But just because other people don't does that mean she's not allowed to act on it?

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March 6th, 2017, 9:13 pm

Allie (Guest)

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@freyja: my objection there was to Jocelyn's "if you don't want to be visible, don't be" as if that's an option

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March 4th, 2017, 8:53 am

:) (Guest)

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@Sofia:

it is NEVER a moral obligation for trans people to out themselves, under ANY circumstances. you want us to literally put our lives in danger for the sake of, what? solidarity? the only "evil" person around here is you, frankly. if someone chooses to Not be assaulted, harassed, and killed, that is their right, and claiming they're bad people for doing so is overwhelmingly repulsive. i sincerely hope you never come face to face with a stealth trans person. for their sakes.

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March 4th, 2017, 9:12 am

Sofia (Guest)

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@:): I'm talking about honesty and integrity. If Ana never says a word to anyone else and no one thinks to ask (as Rain's friends would likely not), that's her choice. But if Rain were outed and someone asked Ana "Are you trans too?", saying that she wasn't would be wrong, period, especially since it wouldn't help anything in that situation anyway. Even if her lie were believed, Rain would still be in danger and refusing to have her back like that in that situation is the worst thing she could possibly do. And again, she all but stated outright that she would do just that. She's not Rain's friend. Friends don't do that to each other. If you can't see that, that says more about you than it does about me.

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March 4th, 2017, 10:34 am

LittleLynn84

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@Sofia:

There are a lot of "ifs" and assumptions in there. I mean, even in the totally hypothetical scenario where Rain is outed, how can we actually know for sure what Ana would do? How do we even know Ana would be asked anything? It's entirely possible for a person to be supportive without outing themselves, after all. For instance, remember how Maria was defending her brother from a homophobic bully before she came out?

We don't even know Ana that well as a character yet, and you're just assuming the worst of her on very little context that could really mean a lot of things. And I would argue that that judging is more problematic than lying is. The trans community does NOT need to be passing more blind judgment on itself when it's already given to us from outside the community so much. That judgment is WHY so many of us choose to be stealth, and why I would never blame anyone for wanting to go as far as to lie to remain in stealth.

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March 4th, 2017, 11:43 am

Sofia (Guest)

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@LittleLynn84: Lying is still morally wrong, though. There's really no way to sugarcoat that. If one were faced with that scenario and they said nothing because nobody asked, then yes, I concede that they never actually lied, but from a moral standpoint, isn't that kind of getting off on a technicality?

Wouldn't saying "you never asked" still make the person a jerk in that situation because they could have done something meaningful to help and they deliberately chose not to, essentially sacrificing someone else to save themselves? Wouldn't they still be objectively in the wrong?

I understand wanting to be stealth, and I understand not wanting to give that up if you've actually achieved it, but in a real word situation where you can help someone by essentially standing up and saying "I'm Spartacus!", I believe you have a moral obligation to do so because doing what's right, no matter how dangerous or difficult, will always be more important than any personal concerns.

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March 4th, 2017, 12:11 pm

LittleLynn84

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@Sofia:

That's completely ignoring my point that standing up for someone doesn't necessarily require outing oneself. Maybe it will. Maybe it won't. But you can't possibly know how someone will react in a situation until they have. If Rain were to be outed to the school right now somehow, we have no way of knowing what Ana would actually do in response right now.

And further, if lying is always morally wrong, let's talk hypotheticals like you want to. What if a member of the faculty at this school were to somehow discover Rain might be trans. A problematic person who could push for the expulsion of Rain and the termination of Fara's job. And that person asked Rain if she was trans? Does Rain have an obligation to out herself, costing herself her education and her aunt's job? What if that person never approached Rain and asked Fara instead? Does she have a moral obligation to out her niece?

What if in a different totally hypothetical scenario, Rain is asked if Ana is trans? Is she morally obligated to out Ana (totally disrespecting her wishes and endangering her in the process)? Your logic is completely flawed. Not all lying is necessarily wrong. There are always exceptions to every rule.

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March 4th, 2017, 6:16 pm

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@Sofia: "Lying is morally wrong" is a blanket statement that requires qualification.

What do you mean by a lie? Stating an untruth that you know to be untrue? Failing to provide the entire truth, in order to retain privacy? Deliberately misleading someone? Staying silent when someone has been mislead by others, or by themself? Failing to correct every single misapprehension that another person has? Failing to provide all the details about yourself in order to prevent someone from drawing false conclusions based on previously held beliefs that you cannot correct?

Furthermore, is it still morally wrong to lie to someone if the consequence of telling the truth is to put you, or somebody else, in danger?

Finally, there are some questions, particularly yes/no questions where one answer has consequences and the other answer does not, where a failure to answer is seen as a confirmation rather than a lack of information. In that case, an incorrect answer, while technically a lie, more accurately denies the questioner information than an actual refusal to answer would. And people do not have an automatic right to all information, just because they ask for it.

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March 4th, 2017, 6:30 pm

Allie (Guest)

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@Arcanist Lupus: Thank you

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March 30th, 2017, 3:37 pm

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@Sofia: Trans means that I was born with the wrong sex. After surgery, I would no longer have the wrong sex. Trans would be part of my medical history, something I would only disclose out of medical necessity.
After all my surgery, admitting to someone that I used to be trans would only tell them about my synthetically changed hormone levels, and would open me up to questions about surgeries and the state of my genitals.
I find it pretty weird that you want everyone born this way to tell total strangers about their medicine and surgeries.

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March 4th, 2017, 11:41 am

Allie (Guest)

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I totally respect her desire to be stealth, but "cisgender for all intents and purposes"? What? You can't be assigned the wrong gender and then later "become cis", the history of oppression that comes with that misassignment will always be with you even if your biology is exactly how you want and everyone thinks you're cis :/

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March 4th, 2017, 11:44 am

Sofia (Guest)

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@Allie: Thank you

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March 4th, 2017, 6:28 pm

Allie (Guest)

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@Sofia: I don't want your thanks. I don't respect the implication that she'd throw her trans siblings to the wolves but I'll defend her right to hide her trans status.

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March 7th, 2017, 10:13 am

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@Sofia:

Can we step back for a second and acknowledge that trans and intersex are not inherently the same thing? Multiple people have tried pointing this out to you but you just ignore them. If you're going to stand so firmly in your argument and continue to debate the subject than you have to acknowledge the inherent fallacy in your statement.

Technically, Ana is not trans. Her gender was assigned by a doctor - a human being who is implied to be a sketchy individual to begin with. If you're so big on not lying then Ana CAN respond with "no" to the "Are you trans?" question. Because the two are not interchangeable.

And on another subject, how would Ana outing herself if Rain is outed help any? All it would do is turn the school against both of them and that doesn't help anybody.

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March 4th, 2017, 12:20 pm

LittleLynn84

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@Allie:

The "all intents and purposes" part is important. Saying, "I'm cisgender" and "I'm cisgender for all intents and purposes" is not the same thing. I mean, she JUST admitted to being trans on the previous page. And she even said she wasn't cisgender to herself in her own thoughts a couple chapters ago.

By "all intents and purposes", she's just saying she doesn't want to come out. Because if she doesn't, she'll likely be assumed cis by others. Much in the same way Emily or Maria were assumed straight before coming out. Or how Rain is herself assumed cis by most of the school. Ana knows full well her past is; that's why she's living in stealth to begin with. She doesn't think she's magically cis now. She just doesn't want to carry the label of being trans.

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March 4th, 2017, 3:39 pm

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@LittleLynn84: I certainly have to congratulate you! To have stirred up such passion and rancor in a mere 23 panels is quite an accomplishment! I've stayed out of it, since I'm neither trans nor intersexed and have no relevant experience in that regard. But as someone very experienced in human conflicts and how they play out in the world, I have to say I'm surprised at Sofia's animosity towards Ana (and not merely because it is directed at a fictional character in a webcomic).

The language she uses about Ana, “disgusting,” “morally wrong,” “thoroughly irredeemable,” “horrible,” “lowest of the low,” “scum” and “evil” are the kind of descriptions the moralistic bigots Sofia so rightly fears would use about trans people. If you ever start to sound like such people, maybe you ought to stop, take a deep breath and think about what you're saying.

Keep up the good work!

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March 8th, 2017, 8:33 pm

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@Allie: @Maria: do neither one of you understamd intersexed. Also lets do a hypothetical. Being intersexed is not trans so ana wouldnt be lying if she saod no. Hypothetically there is a religious fanatic gunman in the school. "I heard theres trans people at this school, show yourselves now." should rain and ana stand up and be shot?

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March 9th, 2017, 7:31 am

Allie (Guest)

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@Intersexedcutie: no, of course not. I'm not the one who's saying lying is automatically wrong. And yes, I understand intersex (to a 101 level, anyway), but I also understand transness. Transness is where a person of one gender has been assigned a different gender at birth. That happened to Ana. It's possible to be both intersex and trans.

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March 5th, 2017, 1:03 am

Anna Rei

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I would say form being intersex it is a far worse thing then being transsexual. People tended to treat me far worse. I grew up at first thinking I going be a male and my body not just your mind does a 180 on me. I got beaten nearly to death and lost friends and the doctors try to pretend Intersex does not exist and do not wish the help any with it. Doctors never like to admit they were wrong and try everything to stop anyone form saying that is so even of another doctor. Cause if they do not protect each other then the truth gets out more that they do not always know what they are doing. They are not much better then the Cops. My mother had to fight and threaten them with a law suite for the doctors to finally admit and say I should live as a female rather then male and that I was intersex. That was back in the early 198o's. I still do not know the whole truth cause the doctors hid my true birth records and I was born in the US Navy Hospital in Scotland. My life was hell at times cause of being intersex. I have a PTSD and a lot of anger issues over how I was treated in my life.

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March 6th, 2017, 7:39 pm

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@Anna Rei: *offers a Hug from a Kindred Spirit*

this is all to often the case for us Intersexed.

we go through literal hell of varying kinds from our very earliest memories.

I was Surgically altered (halfassedly I might add) when I was an infant, grew up Male, being told I had simply been circumcised, Gender Dysphoria hit hard with Puberty, I fought it & hid it, didn't know what it was for the longest time, during an unrelated hospital stay it was found out I have partly developed yet apparently dormant female organs, the Reality hit brutally hard when it was explained to me (I was nearly 30 at the time).

Long story short, I have been able to find out that I was altered seemingly without my parents consent (Doctor Playing God it would seem), I still live as a male (for now) but I am mentally both, Like most others my life has been anything but easy.

Like Anna, I do have some anger issues, but mine are more focused on why they couldn't just leave me as I was born, Just had to go play god...

And I already have to leave that line of thought as I just nearly broke something.

@LittleLynn84 if you or others would like/or are interested I can post some good documentary videos I have bookmarked that explain things a bit better.

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March 6th, 2017, 8:43 pm

Anna Rei

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@Lenneth: Yeah I have Dysphoria but not the same as transsexual. I do not mind living dressing as a male as I am used to that form grow up at first thinking I was to be that only. Just my body is not right to me. I try to get into relationships and I am always held back by my body not being completely female. I am about 80% female mentally and 20% male. I see myself as both mentally and in body. I often feel I was denied being my female self and forced to only be a male. So I often want the female more. I feel for transsexuals as I understand a lot of what they go thru. But form my experience I still think Intersex get left out and have it much worse. Were are often forced to pretend we are Transsexual to get any help form doctors. I can understand that some transsexual think we have it better cause we do not have go thru as much to get things changed of our body or already got some of. But if doctors do admit we exist often they want to study us like lab rats in return as been what I have seen. We are so few less then 1% of doctors have seen Intersex for themselves and think of it is just a meth. Mostly this is cause so many just get things fixed and hide it. No one wants to be a studied lab rat freak after all. And often that is how we are treated forgetting we are human just like them. :P

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March 7th, 2017, 2:26 am

Lenneth (Guest)

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@Anna Rei: Oh I know the Dysphoria is quite different, and is often mistaken for the Trans type.

and I agree that us intersexed seem get left out/overlooked/forgotten, allthough plenty of doctors do admit we exist the problem i think is more in the fact that they have a mindset of "if it does not fit into box a or b it must be made to fit one of them by force, in my own research i have heard that this is beginning to change, but is very little very late.

also people are slowly starting to learn that the response of "if it is different, you must kill it with fire" is counterproductive, again though it is very slow.

on the upside it is at least starting to change for the better, it may not be early enough to help the two of us, but it just might help the next generation not have to go through the kind of hell we have.

sure some Transngendered think we have things better somehow, but they don't factor in that we are 99% of the time surgically altered (most often by force) to be more like an arbitrary chosen gender, it is in fact far worse, to the Transgendered ones reading this, think if you will along these lines.

Imagine if you will that one morning you all wake up and are biologically the gender that you identify as, but their is a catch, the government knows about it and before noon mandates "Mandatory SRS back to the gender you were before", now add to that being shot with a dart that causes you to be paralyzed as long as the dosage is kept up, and the SRS is performed on you by force against your will.

this is the kind of hell that our lives started off with, does that sound even remotely better?

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March 7th, 2017, 4:26 pm

Anna Rei

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@Lenneth: Yeah your right I know the box a or b thing very well. I have learned time an again I am never going to fit into the just box a or b and I am a bit of both genders no matter what and I like being so. I made my own box and live in it just find. No doctors or parents as the right to play God and decide for me. Yet they try to be and do so. It is up to me to decide not them. I think it should be put off tell the child is ready to decide for themselves. And not play a 50/50 chance game with that child's life. Only if there is server life threatening surgery needing to be done should anything be done at all and just enough to not be life threatening. :p

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March 5th, 2017, 11:06 am

Airawin (Guest)

Morals

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@Sofia: Morals are a funny thing and while we would love to think that our moral view is right every time it is often the case that to someone our view is compleatly immoral but that again is their moral view vs. whom ever i myself am a genderfluid individual who regularly deals with the riggors of people wanting to claim i am morally wrong because i was born a male but by my own morals it is wrong from me to deny how i have felt since as long as i can remember i may not have always known the term for what i am but i know how i have been treated due to most peoples MORAL Stigma and I do not blame Ana for her choice to remain stealth

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March 5th, 2017, 3:57 pm

00Stevo

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@LittleLynn84 I think there is a typo on this page. Panel 4, Shouldn't it read 'To me, it would be' and not 'To me, would be'

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March 5th, 2017, 7:44 pm

ALittleSurprise

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I'm strongly considering doing a little project, do you have any reference pictures of Jessica? Thanks, sorry for being off- topic

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March 6th, 2017, 8:15 am

Allison (Guest)

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I'm happy to see so many people defending Ana here. I've occasionally run across the claim that trans people who aren't "out" are hurting or even betraying their trans siblings. I find the lack of empathy that that attitude betrays appalling.

I myself don't plan to be stealth -- at my age, I don't think I'd ever really pass, plus I can't keep a secret to save my life. I've found supportive communities that give me no grief for living the way I want to live, I don't have a high profile, and I just want to live out my few remaining days ("with my remaining limbs" -- Harry Potter reference) in some degree of comfort and peace.

But I also recognize that I am enormously privileged compared with most of my trans siblings. I won't bore you with the details, but I have had zero problems transitioning (other than the usual bureaucratic incompetence.) I cannot blame anyone who feels safer flying under the radar, especially when you consider the trans people who either can't transition or have to detransition because they couldn't survive if they were known as trans. The rule "never out someone without their permission" isn't just a social nicety. Sometimes it's a matter of life and death.

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March 6th, 2017, 11:45 am

mizuno (Guest)

Morals and issues

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i think the biggest issue regarding Sofia is the basic assumption that, because of a circumstance of birth, you are irrevocably morally obligated to take on stress, anxiety, and so on. This is reprehensible to me. i'm trans, and what Ana says in panel 4 resonated with me, because i CAN go stealth, and being treated as different, or as a fetish object, over something i could never control is just...ugh. As another said, it's like asking a soldier to relive war. You don't get to make any demands of me without my consent.

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March 7th, 2017, 12:18 am

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This comment section is proof that there's still a lot more to learn for a lot of people. No one is obligated to come out of the closet if they don't want to and no one is obligated to refer to themselves as any given way (for example, if Ana doesn't want to define herself as transgender, then she has every right not to and if she doesn't want to tell anyone about anything, she does not have to)

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March 8th, 2017, 8:17 pm

Intersexedcutie (Guest)

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Thank you thank you thank you noone ever does anything about intersexed and rain is actually quite popular omg thank you i know this is just your characters and story but you having a character who is intersexed!and sssigned improperly i wss assigned female because fully ambiguous and i honestly wish it had just stayed neutral. But having ana now will help me explsin to even lgbt people who look st me lime what i said doesnt make any sense thank you

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