Mr. and Mrs. Strongwell

posted March 23rd, 2018, 9:22 am


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March 23rd, 2018, 9:54 am

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So, quite a few of you predicted this much might happen. But how? What happened? Where could she have gone? Is she safe now? What about Chanel and Emily and Rudy and Todd and Quenton and anyone else deeply involved in this arc? Where is any of this going? The good news is that I promise you will know everything by the end of the next chapter. Maybe even get some closure on a few things.

However...

While I was originally against doing this, there's going to be a one week hiatus next week. Just one week. The comic will return on Monday, April 2nd. I really did want to go a little longer before the next hiatus, especially given there was a very long one last year. But I think I just want a little more time to fine-tune what's coming. The next chapter's a bit unique in structure, and I want to make sure everything unfolds just right. So this isn't some kind of vacation for me. This is a working hiatus; the break is to make the comic better. So thank you again for bearing with me here. I look forward to rewarding your patience. ^_^


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March 23rd, 2018, 10:10 am

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Where has my second favorite lesbian character disappeared to?? WHERE IS MY BABY

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March 23rd, 2018, 10:14 am

AnOldWolfNamedSteve

Decisions, decisions…

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@LittleLynn84: I read the part about the next chapter taking on a "unique structure" and for some reason or another, I had a thought that it might play out like one of Tell Tale's games, i.e: Life is Strange: Before the Storm. Like, we'll be looking at scenes from a not-so-distant past while a major mystery plays out in the present. I have to honestly say I'm excited to see it. I guess i'll need to fill in the week with Darling in the Franxx fanfics of Ichigo x Izuno…

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March 23rd, 2018, 12:27 pm

Yan Mouson

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@AnOldWolfNamedSteve: You know Life is Strange wasn't made by Telltale, right? I know it really feels like it, but it wasn't.

Anyway, I was thinking more Rashomon-style, where we get everyone's conflicting perspectives on what actually happens as they try to figure out where Maria went.

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March 23rd, 2018, 12:42 pm

AnOldWolfNamedSteve

I Stand Corrected.

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@Yan Mouson: I was going to argue with on the LiS, but a few minutes of Internet research roves you right. I stand much corrected.

Going about on a Rashamon-style chapter would be epic! I can only imagine who would speak truth, who speak lies, and who speak of what little they do not know. The hype is real…!

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March 25th, 2018, 10:00 pm

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@AnOldWolfNamedSteve: Everybody in Rashomon is telling the truth - their truth.

Sort of like the truism that "No-one is the villain of his own story."

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March 23rd, 2018, 10:27 am

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Emily has a house where her mother doesn't live at all... Also, I will wait patiently to see how things escalate until a resolution. Also, doesn't Maria's parents know what kind of madness happens in those places?

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March 23rd, 2018, 12:02 pm

Second_Chances

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@TranshumanAr: I was just about to say that either Emily or Chanel took her to their house, at least I pray they did, and plus MARIA IS 18! Technically her parents should no longer have a say in her life so she can go wherever the hell she damn well pleases, well as long as it's not to a bar seeing as this comic takes place in America.

On the topic of Maria's parents and the camp if I'm going to be completely honest they don't care by resorting to sending their child to camp they are basically disowning and abandoning their own blood. They don't care what happens in fact there is a chance they are hoping she just won't ever come home, and if she gets killed then so be it those camps, from what I've read, are basically just paid kidnappers they take in 'sinner' children and torture them until they either A. Manage to fake being the way the parents want and escape or B. Lose the will to live and commit suicide/let the torture kill them.

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March 23rd, 2018, 12:40 pm

Microrapter (Guest)

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@Second_Chances: That's conversion "therapy" in a nutshell.

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March 23rd, 2018, 10:28 am

Dwere (Guest)

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Called it.

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March 23rd, 2018, 10:35 am

Unknown (Guest)

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Yesh, can't say I blame Maria. Hope Rudy's coping with it okay. He kinda strikes me as the type to take bad stuff happening to his sibling hard.

On the hiatus note - One of my favorite webcomics ended on the bleakest, half-assed, and open opened way with nearly zero closure for any of the plot lines. Wasn't even all that dark a comic. Dark undertones, but it had a lot of humor.

So I'm 100% all-for comic artists taking whatever time they need to give us their best. Thank you for giving us your all ma'am. *tips hat*

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March 23rd, 2018, 10:54 am

NikuComics

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GO MARIA!!

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March 23rd, 2018, 11:03 am

Luvbster (Guest)

Oh no...

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I hate this kind of thing, if only because I know what happens to far too many kids who run away from home. If she's gone to a friend or family member, that's one thing. If not...

Most people just don't know what it's like to be homeless. It's unpleasant, dehumanizing, and dangerous. Even moreso if you're underage. I'm aware that some people are in terrible situations in their home lives, but I think pretty often they just don't understand what they're up against.

Even if your situation is really shitty, more often than not you're still better off staying with your awful parent(s) until you graduate. I would only recommend this sort of thing if you're literally in physical danger.

Not that someone in Maria's situation isn't being harmed, she obviously is, but kids who run away tend to end up as statistics in a police report. It really angers me when a story presents this solution in a positive light (I'm looking at you, Gone Home.)

I hope that's not what's happening here. We literally have no information on where she went and what she plans, so I could be getting way ahead of myself.

This is just a gut reaction, but I know sometimes writers think 'I wish I'D done that when I was young', without really understanding what it means for people who really lived it.

Sorry to sound so negative, this comic has so many great things going for it and I genuinely love it 99% of the time (and Gone Home too), and I could be jumping the gun, but I obviously have strong feelings on this particular matter.

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March 23rd, 2018, 12:44 pm

Microrapter (Guest)

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@Luvbster: The thing is, if Maria's parents intend to send her to a conversion camp, she *is* going to be physically harmed. Conversion camps are places where LGTB teenagers are physically and mentally abused until they either agree to pretend to be straight and cis or commit suicide.

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March 23rd, 2018, 12:55 pm

Luvbster (Guest)

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@Microrapter: Sure, that's an extreme instance where running could be the better option. In the comic, it seemed like she was just speculating. If so, she may have (understandably) overreacted.

Also, unless they were planning to physically restrain her until sending her to camp, running would still be an option, at least for a little while.

Maybe I'm forgetting a specific example where her parents implied or said outright that they would do this thing. They do seem pretty horrible, but again, in my experience, kids have horrible judgement, especially when they're afraid.

Again, no idea where this is going, I just hope it's not: 'she got away from the bad things and now she's better off yay'. I highly doubt that would be it, it's just MY overreaction to a sensitive subject.

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March 23rd, 2018, 6:22 pm

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@Luvbster: In a previous page, Brother Arthur stated to Maria that he knew for a fact that Maria's father was researching those camps. So not *quite* the parents implying it, but still an authority figure bringing the idea up.

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March 23rd, 2018, 11:33 pm

Dwere (Guest)

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@Luvbster:
"Sure, that's an extreme instance where running could be the better option."

It isn't an extreme instance by a long shot. I grew up in that "run or face abuse" scenario, the details of which I won't share here, and I know dozens of others who've been through this rubbish as well.
Running turns out to be the only answer far too often and I have the scars to prove it.

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March 23rd, 2018, 11:59 am

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My best guess is that Maria's at Fara's home.

It's a logical guess since we last saw Maria with Emily. And Emily IS living with Fara and Rain.

Aaaaaaand it's not like Fara would be against the idea of keeping Maria away from her homophobic parents who probably WOULD ship her off to some torture camp to become straight.

I'm kind of looking forward to how each of them will reflect on this. The mother appeared more sad than angry. The father looked like he was about ready to disown her.

Part of me expects some differences of opinion to come to light from both of them.

tl;dr: Maria's safe. She's just with Fara. And judging from the reactions of the parents, I predict there will be some character development for one or both of them. we'll see.

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March 23rd, 2018, 12:02 pm

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@LittleLynn84:

Where could she have gone?

Well, since Emily was the last person Maria was seen with and expressed her continuing concern for Maria's welfare, she's the obvious answer to where Maria may have gone ... somewhere Emily could have helped her get to.

One note: anyone hoping that Maria winds up at Aunt Fara's ... that's a really bad idea. That would border on a criminal act, if Maria is under 18, unless Fara promptly notified Maria's parents and/or the authorities of her whereabouts. Of course, if Maria is over 18, she would not have to go to any conversion camp in any event and if her parents throw her out for not agreeing to go, she's free to go anywhere, like Tara's, that will take her in.

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March 23rd, 2018, 9:09 pm

Kalciphoz (Guest)

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@CatPerson: In response to "if Maria is over 18, she would not have to go to any conversion camp in any event"

Not necessarily so - these camps are twisted things and good at legal loopholes. They may be able to declare her mentally unfit and strip her of legal maturity, or a number of other things that could allow them to force her into torture despite being over 18.

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March 24th, 2018, 10:12 am

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@Kalciphoz:

If she is over 18 (in most states that is the age of majority ... in 3 states it is 19 and one, Pennsylvania, it's 21) it would take a court order after a competency hearing where she would be represented by a court-appointed guardian ad litem, before she could be declared incompetent.

They could, of course, flat-out kidnap her ... and that has happened ... but there would be consequences for that. It is the kids that are under the age of majority and those so under the sway of their parents that they agree to go to one of those camps that are most at risk of being abused in such places.

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March 24th, 2018, 12:23 am

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@CatPerson:

I respectfully disagree with you saying about Maria living with Fara being a bad idea.

This is about doing what's legal, this is about doing what's right.

Allowing a young girl's parents to send her off to a torture camp and become either a suicidal mess, or a shadow of her former self, believing herself to be something she's not, is never right. Law or no Law.

If the law allows for parents like that to send their kids to a camp that would treat them like smartphones to have unwanted apps removed and most desirable apps installed, then Frankly speaking, breaking the law is a small price to pay to do what's right.

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March 24th, 2018, 10:29 am

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@Climaxstriker:

I should have made it clear that it would be a bad idea for Fara, not Maria. Interfering with parental custody can rise to the level of a crime and worse, for a teacher like Fara, could result in her not being able to get employment again in that profession. Of course, just taking in a scared teen for a night would not have any dire consequences but hiding her from her parents for any extended period almost certainly would.

There are other things Fara and the rest could do, including putting her in touch with children's advocacy groups, some of which have fought to free underage kids from these sorts of places. One such case is frighteningly detailed in the book Saving Alex: When I Was Fifteen I Told My Mormon Parents I Was Gay, and That's When My Nightmare Began by Alex Cooper.

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March 23rd, 2018, 12:25 pm

Second_Chances

No Tell Shelter?

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Okay I know I replied to a comment above but I wanted to add my own because this page after being 100% amazing got me riled up. Maria is canonically 18 so she can do whatever she wants even if that means running away from home, but then that leaves Rudy unfortunately he and Maria are NOT twins as many have made that misunderstanding and he is only 16 so if he runs to friends they can be charged for kidnapping. I know that No-Tell Runaway shelters exist to protect kids like Rudy so there could be a chance he could go there, but as LUVBSTER (Guest) said homelessness is not easy or really a good thing to resort to especially if your under 18 but can I say I blame Maria and Rudy? No absolutely not I would have run away too to avoid being sent to an abusive camp where they are GUARANTEED to have a bad time, at least on the streets and with friends, there is a chance they can survive and hey public school is still an option like what Ky does. Hey Rudy and Maria could transfer to Ky's school so Ky wouldn't have to be alone anymore... is that to much wishful thinking? Anyway I seem to have gone off on another rant opps heh

@LittleLynn84 take all the time you need hun it'll be torture to wait but trust me when I say you're worth it ;) I'll just go off and reread the comic again XD yay Luv Ya Lynn <3 <3

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March 23rd, 2018, 1:27 pm

falconspirit13

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OMFG WHAT

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March 23rd, 2018, 2:22 pm

Kei-chan (Guest)

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I was expecting something ugly, but this is arguably worse for my nerves...Where did Maria disappear off to? And how is the status quo going to be altered further? Find out next time...

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March 23rd, 2018, 2:37 pm

Jocie (Guest)

TW:suicide

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God i hope she survives...

I'm scared it might end in a suicide or her breaking down, especially if she might be forced to a conversion camp, then running away fast, hopefully Emily can help Maria and make sure no one has to die

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March 23rd, 2018, 2:41 pm

Guest (Guest)

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In my country (Canada) from age 16 onwards you can leave your parent's house and legally either live on your own (that would require a job though), go to a social worker and ask to be put into a decent group home, or live with friends legally. If your parents are against your decision (younger than 18), then you have to have a quick court hearing.
It's pretty rare that most folks end up actually homeless when they have friends, there are group homes, and also one can apply for social security and live in their own place.
I'm not suggesting this as a good option, just saying it's not like folks are going to die or turn to drugs or etc. that many folks seem to think.

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March 24th, 2018, 4:49 pm

Kraut (Guest)

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@Guest: It’s similar in Germany; we still have too much homeless kids. But remember there’s no social security in the US. Living in fear makes you better controllable.

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March 23rd, 2018, 2:52 pm

Haldo (Guest)

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Yesss run away girl. She has friends who can protect her. Rudy might want to run too

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March 23rd, 2018, 3:49 pm

Guest

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She could have gone to Ky's
If not, and if this was real life, she'd get nabbed and sold as a sex slave really quickly
Don't think the comic's gonna go that dark tho

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March 23rd, 2018, 3:52 pm

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oshiet she ran away
I bet the whole group is hiding her or with her.
that's what happens when parents threaten their kids to turn straight. it's sad that maria's dad just can't understand.

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March 23rd, 2018, 8:22 pm

Zosonils

Let's stay calm

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She isn't being tortured into heterosexuality, so the obvious glaring issue has at least been avoided for now. We don't know exactly where she is, but she's a main character so we'll probably find out soon enough. *attempts to remain calm with mixed results*

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March 23rd, 2018, 10:01 pm

Nesagsar

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Thats what you get for trying to kill your kids.

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March 24th, 2018, 1:50 am

happybunnyntx

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Totally understand the need for a hiatus. You have a lot going on and a lot of characters to get all sorted out. Good luck and take your time!

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March 24th, 2018, 2:01 pm

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YES

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Maria's disappearance is the most satisfying thing that's happened in a long time. I bet she's either going to be staying in Emily's empty house or with Aunt Fara. Also I love how Fara is like some sort of collector of lost queer people. Everyone is welcome in her apartment and there are already so many people living there.

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March 24th, 2018, 7:11 pm

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Actually having a bit of trouble breathing after reading this (not a panic attack just sort of shock and worry I guess). Only mentioning it because it’s a testament to how great of a writer you are and how much of an impact your characters have had.

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March 25th, 2018, 11:28 am

RabidRabbitArmy

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Found this comic on tv tropes just in time for it to go on hiatus T.T Really like how the stories progressed and how the characters have grown since the begining of this story. Thanks for such a good read and good luck with everything.

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March 25th, 2018, 5:12 pm

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if maria ran to fara... could fara be accused of kidnapping her??

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March 26th, 2018, 8:43 am

falconspirit13

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I don’t think so cuz Maria is of age

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March 26th, 2018, 11:53 am

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@falconspirit13:

If Maria is 18 (has that been established?) and they are not in one of the three states where the age of majority is 19 or the one where it is 21, then Fara couldn't be charged with interference with parental custody or kidnapping. On the other hand, if Maria has reached the age of majority, her parents couldn't (legally) force her to go to a conversion camp.

Maria might have to consider what effect her defiance of her parents might have on their treatment of Rudy, however. They have legal control of him that Fara would be ill-advised (in a legal sense) to interfere with.

Our esteemed host has left lots of room for possible drama.

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March 26th, 2018, 12:16 pm

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@CatPerson:

Maria is 18 now. I suppose I may never have explicitly stated her age in canon (though, she is regarded as 17 at the beginning of the story by the character bio page and other supplementary art). However, Maria IS established to be a senior in high school, which generally speaking, can be safely assumed to be in the 17-18 age range.

Add to that, that she had a birthday happen in-canon back on Valentine's Day. http://rainlgbt.smackjeeves.com/comics/1961272/date-night/

The number is technically never stated in the story (to my memory), but it's possible to put the pieces together. ^_^

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March 26th, 2018, 12:26 pm

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@LittleLynn84:

I was kinda assuming that but it's nice to have it confirmed!

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March 26th, 2018, 8:43 am

falconspirit13

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Wait hold on

Are those camps actually real

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March 26th, 2018, 11:20 am

LittleLynn84

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@falconspirit13:

Unfortunately, yes.

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March 26th, 2018, 12:10 pm

falconspirit13

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Wait, seriously? Where do they happen and what do they do there?! That’s so horrible...

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March 26th, 2018, 12:46 pm

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@falconspirit13:

They can happen just about anywhere. Religious "camps" can be set up in the US just about anywhere at little cost and with little regulation because of local governments' reluctance to interfere with the First Amendment's "Freedom of Religion" clause. Worse, they can be and have been set up in foreign countries with even less concern for human rights than in the US. You can go to the Human Rights Campaign's or the Trevor Project's websites to learn more about conversion therapy and the damage it has and continues to do to children.

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March 27th, 2018, 7:30 pm

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@falconspirit13: They exist all over the world, even in the most civilized countries. In Denmark where I live, one was closed after having forced underage children to rape each other, but it ended up reopening under a new name and cannot currently be closed. I had a friend who was beaten with chairs at such a place.

The best of them are just questionable therapy practices, but most of them are very abusive, such as telling children repeatedly they're going to hell, that their feelings are wrong and that they should be ashamed, administering corporal punishment, and so on. Worse ones put children in solitary confinement for long periods of time, beat children with chairs or by slamming them against walls, make children say to other children that they deserve to die, give children electric shocks, give children electric shocks to their genitals, etc. These are occasionally fatal, but they're still not the worst type. The worst type you will find in places like Iran, Jamaica, and Malaysia, and so on. They will starve children and subject them to severe physical torture, sometimes threats of murder, sometimes actual murder. Some of these have been closed after having been found to have fatality rates over 50%.

The industry is sometimes referred to as the Troubled Teens Industry, and it is a billion dollar corporate industry that profits from giving sadists access to vulnerable children who they mistreat. They use blackmail, manipulation, and bribery to get their victims and the parents to recommend the camps to other parents, and they are very good at exploiting legal loopholes so they can continue to operate, but in doing so they also demonstrate that people don't seem to care all that much about vulnerable children being tortured, since modern democracies are perfectly capable of preventing it entirely yet don't.

An experienced cynic would not be surprised. The atrocities of Congo were just over a century ago, and WW2 was more recent still, not to mention the numerous atrocities since then. This is what most humans are like it seems. Pointlessly cruel and barbaric - not even selfish, for selfishness would reward better coordination, yet most humans fall short of that standard too.

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March 26th, 2018, 12:15 pm

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Torture to make people straight in one from or another

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March 26th, 2018, 4:14 pm

Guest

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if i was the guy in the office i'd 100% be on my knees, stress crying

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March 27th, 2018, 4:50 pm

Guest

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hey, lynn... do you delete correct headcanons?

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March 28th, 2018, 9:49 am

LittleLynn84

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@Guest:

Nah. I don't delete anyone's theories. Even if somebody predicted the ending of the story right now with 100% accuracy, I wouldn't. Because deleting it kinda draws attention to it, and makes people suspicious about why THAT one was deleted over any others. No, understanding the meta of comments, I have to just quietly applaud correct guesses without saying anything. Right or wrong, I'll leave them all up. ^_^

Admittedly, I might debunk ones that are VERY inaccurate though. Especially if there's context I can link (like from a older page) to prove it. But even then, I'll let those go sometimes too.

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March 27th, 2018, 5:01 pm

Guest

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the thought just occured to me that maria could be dead right now, after committing suicide. that really scares me.

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March 27th, 2018, 10:11 pm

Symptom (Guest)

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No pls don't put that thought into my head

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March 28th, 2018, 9:37 am

LittleLynn84

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@Guest:

I can confirm that won't happen. Very early in posting Rain, I made a statement that no one would die in the story. The only real exception is Rain's mother, who passed before the story started. No one else - protagonist or antagonist alike - will die in this comic.

For what it's worth, I'm not against killing off characters in my writing, but I just don't personally feel like it'd fit in with the kind of story Rain is. Either way, I made my statement early on, and I mean to keep to it. :)

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March 31st, 2018, 1:24 pm

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@LittleLynn84: Well there goes my plans for Todd.

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March 27th, 2018, 10:10 pm

Symptom (Guest)

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I really wanted to know what was gonna happen with Ky an the while prom thing, but now I can't stop thinking about Maria D:

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March 28th, 2018, 10:43 am

glmdgrielson (Guest)

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So, now that one dude has proven important enough to warrant color! For all the wrong reasons, but still!

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March 28th, 2018, 3:04 pm

Guest

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oh, thank goodness. i mean, obviously it would be your decision to shop so,but im glad you won't ^_^'

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March 28th, 2018, 4:21 pm

Jeana Star (Guest)

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Please tell me she's at Rain's house or something, oh my gosh

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March 30th, 2018, 2:12 pm

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@LittleLynn84:

Hi Lynn. I've been following your comic for a few years now but this is my first time commenting. I was wondering if I could PM you some questions. I'm going through a bit of a rough time right now concerning my identity. I would greatly appreciate if you would respond.

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