That's Definitely Me

posted May 23rd, 2018, 10:24 am


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May 23rd, 2018, 10:45 am

LittleLynn84

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Some of you guessed where this was going. Some of you didn't. But here we are!

Thoughts are, as always, very welcome.

However, if you're the sort that can't deal with the "unrealistically high number of queer and trans characters in this story about queer and trans characters", and you were only going to comment to tell me how "absurd and unlikely" this all is: maybe don't? Besides that I've heard that song and dance following literally every time a character has come out, I don't believe for a second that there's anything unrealistic about this. So I would humbly ask that you spare me this once. Or at least find something else to say. It's not like you're going to convince me that this "isn't possible", nor am I gonna go back and retcon my characters and their arcs, no matter how often people whine about the overwhelming gayness of the comic. XD


As I say every time: if you don't like it, there are thousands of comics out there with completely cis het casts out there. So if that's more in line what you're looking for, take your pick. But it's a waste of your time and mine to complain about my comic for addressing the topics and themes that it revolves around. Especially after a thousand pages! Thank you very much. ^_^


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May 23rd, 2018, 10:55 am

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Aaaaaah you can’t just leave this on a cliff hanger!!! I’m so excited for Monday now and that is a miracle of a thing for me to say!!!

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May 23rd, 2018, 11:02 am

LittleLynn84

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@Guest:

Well, you're in luck! It's only Wednesday! That means you don't have to wait until Monday, as there'll be another page on Friday. ^_^

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May 23rd, 2018, 11:22 am

Thunderbird (Guest)

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@LittleLynn84: Thank god it’s Wednesday! ;D

Regarding "unrealistically high number of queer and trans characters": Of course this is to be expected in your story, and the main cast group is just "birds of a feather", isn’t it? (i.e. if you’re lucky you find friends who understand/accept/like/love you)

Keep rocking!

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May 23rd, 2018, 12:07 pm

Guest

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I’m a teacher and today is the last day of school so I thought it was Friday! This is great news. Seriously though your comic makes me look forward to its update and helps me push through my week. Thank you so much and keep up the amazing cliff hangars, it just shows how awesome of an author you are!

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May 23rd, 2018, 12:08 pm

Guest

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Also! Sempai noticed me! (Sorry :D)

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May 25th, 2018, 8:25 am

Chrissy (Guest)

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@Guest: I think at this point in the story, every page becomes a cliffhanger... She's so good at telling the story, that we just keep wanting to know more and more.....

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May 23rd, 2018, 11:04 am

NikuComics

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Awww. How cute. x3

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May 23rd, 2018, 11:15 am

AnOldWolfNamedSteve

ANCHORS AWEIGH!

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@LittleLynn84: I do see a possible ship forming? Collete/Colbyx Rudy? ;)

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May 23rd, 2018, 11:15 am

Beth (Guest)

Unrealistically High

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Whoever is saying this is an unrealistically high number of LGBTQ+ characters... well I feel sorry for you and where you live because every time another person comes out it feels more like the reality I experienced when I first came out. There's a lot of people out there whom you simply can't tell and who won't tell you because you either don't exist to them or you aren't close enough for them to tell.

You have to keep in mind this is from the perspective of the LGBT characters and as such they are more likely to attract other LGBT characters who might be feeling alone in an environment like St. Hallvard's. I mean realistically what do we have? Less than a dozen LGBT characters in a high school consisting of at least a few hundred students, and a couple of non-student characters who are actually outweighed by the non-student antagonists at this point.

I think this comic is pretty realistic in its proportion of LGBT characters, at least for my part of the country (liberal city in the midwest).

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May 23rd, 2018, 4:54 pm

Liz (Guest)

Perfectly normal

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@Beth: Yeah, the current number of students who are lgbt+ (9) is perfectly reasonable for a small private school (100 to 200 students).

We are 3 to 8 percent of the population, after all.

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May 23rd, 2018, 11:38 am

TranshumanAr (Guest)

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I guess I got so used to Cole(tte) presenting as female since last year that him coming out as a trans man was surprising. I wonder how his date would react to the news. Only if Cole(tte) will reveal them of course.

Also, I think the right thing to do is that Rudy presents Cole(tte) to Rain, Jessica and Kylie, but only if they consent to it. Consent is always important in humnan relationships and morally ambiguous scientific experiments.

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May 23rd, 2018, 12:18 pm

Tiky (Guest)

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I mean, it is certainly unlikely, statistically speaking. But we are very far from impossible. Pure numbers and their real world representation tend to differ quite a bit.
Statistically speaking there are 85 people per square mile in the US. In the real world 3% of the land holds 80% of the population.

Loving it so far. Keep it up please.

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May 23rd, 2018, 12:22 pm

LunarJasmine

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If I were in Rudy's shoes, I would invite Cole(tte) to sit with me and my friends at lunch and also tell him that they're all really accepting.

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May 23rd, 2018, 1:39 pm

falconspirit13

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#JUSTICEFORCOLE(TTE)

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May 23rd, 2018, 1:40 pm

Dzaka

unrealistic?

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some people need to learn that there is nothing unrealistic about the number of LGBTQ characters in this comic. because alot of people

A: don't understand themselves what they are yet. just that they are different and an event point is out to them (see page above)

B: are closeted out of fear of reprisals from friends and family. sad as it is

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May 23rd, 2018, 1:41 pm

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Honestly, in my experience queers really start to jump out of the woodworks as soon as you go public... I work with about 50 people, and about 5 of us are queer.... We tend to attract each other.

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May 23rd, 2018, 1:50 pm

Erika (Guest)

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All aboard, come on everybody, the ship is setting sail!

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May 23rd, 2018, 1:58 pm

Irie (Guest)

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Rudy had the best reaction of us all.

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May 23rd, 2018, 2:33 pm

Climaxstriker

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Wouldn't it be more likely that the people around us are closeted lgbtq people than the likelihood of everyone around us being straight and cisgendered?

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May 23rd, 2018, 3:01 pm

Yan Mouson

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I never really understood the whole "the amount of queer characters is unrealistic" argument. I mean, sure, it's at the very least statistically unlikely that this many queer characters would coincidentally* meet each other in a catholic school. It's not impossible, but it's not exactly probable either.

However, there's this thing called suspension of disbelief where readers are expected to accept some impossible/improbable plot points because otherwise the whole story just can't happen. This is a story that is specifically about queer people, so screw realism, you gotta have lots of queer people in there, and anyone who complains about that is missing the entire point of the story. It's as stupid as complaining that Harry Potter is unrealistic because it has magic in it, except it's even stupider than that because unlike magic, queer people actually exist.

I've always seen Rain (the comic, not the character) as a sort of microcosm of queerness. It's about exploring the whole spectrum of gender identities and sexual orientations. Sexual diversity is literally the whole point of the comic.

*Emphasis on "coincidentally." I don't think it's unlikely that there would be this many queer people at the school. I think it's unlikely that they would meet each other without actively seeking each other out when most of them are in the closet. Still not a complaint, just an observation.

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May 24th, 2018, 12:02 am

CatPerson

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@Yan Mouson:

The willing suspension of disbelief is the foundation of all fiction, from the greatest works of Shakespeare to the worst trash (which Rain certainly isn't).

Besides, I just put it down to queer magnetism, a like totally true scientific theory that LGBTQ people attract and are swept together by quantum forces ... really!

;-)

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May 23rd, 2018, 3:11 pm

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This doesn't feel unrealistic. I never met anyone else who was trans, even at my old school of 2000 students, until I went to my new school of only 300. Including myself, there are 5 trans people here and a big crowd of gays. This is in a rather conservative area, too.

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May 23rd, 2018, 3:33 pm

Bandana_girl

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Unrealistically high? My boyfriend and I (both trans) met at a job with 13 employees. I've also found out that at my high school (which, while larger than Rain's) there were at least four trans people when I attended (not sure because two of us didn't come out till after high school, and I don't keep up well with high school people). Also, with the 25 people in my graduating class with my school at college, 3 of us are trans. If anything, you're short.

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May 23rd, 2018, 4:17 pm

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#JUSTICEFORWHATEVERTHISCHARACTERDECIDESTOCALLTHEMSELVESANDNOTWHATPEOPLEBLINDLYASSUMEHISNAME WILL BE

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May 24th, 2018, 5:14 am

Itsmekystanley

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@Guest: What. The text is off of the box, how did you do that?

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May 24th, 2018, 5:28 am

Minim

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@Itsmekystanley: You can do that if you have a long line with no spaces in.

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May 23rd, 2018, 5:06 pm

doodle01

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I'm really happy there's a trans character in a story who didn't know they were trans until later in life. Cause honestly that's me

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May 23rd, 2018, 5:09 pm

NixieSeal (Guest)

Waaaah

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Oh, boo hoo, yet another person has come out as trans. This comic is so gay and so unrealistically full of non-cishet characters, blah blah... Kidding. I expected this for a while now. I hope this new character gets a larger part in coming pages.

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May 23rd, 2018, 6:37 pm

Minim

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Taking the whole planet, about 1 in 4 people is Chinese (or so I've heard). But if you were to look at only the people I'd met, for instance, you'd find pretty much no Chinese people and loads of people Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin. People we meet are not evenly distributed, we tend to be attracted to those who are similar to us or familiar to us. Nothing here seems unrealistic to me. (and I'm a bit of a maths nerd, but then anyone who is a maths nerd should know that statistics are imperfect and easily manipulated and that people are not even distributions)

It's a shame that Cole(tte) had to discover his trans nature by hearing his parents' transphobic gripes. It's a shame those attitudes exist in society to be honest. In my country there's been a rise in transphobic "debate" over the past year or so that's completely misinformed and misguided (basically the government are considering updating the law so it's easier for trans people to change their birth certificates and maybe allow for legal recognition of non-binary genders. You'd hear a very different story from the 'phobes, though). Still, the situation is going to improve over time - it will just take patience and a hell of a lot of hard work. But for now it's sad that trans kids have to figure it all out on their own without the help of their parents - and even with the antagonism of such like.

(Apologies if I am rambling a bit much - trying to keep my mind off of something.)

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May 23rd, 2018, 8:17 pm

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I know everyone's talking about the "unrealistic numbers of LGBTQ+ people" but here's a little story anyway.
When I was in elementary school I had a group of five close friends. None of us knew what gay meant when we got close to each other. Over the course of high school, three came out as lesbian, and two as bisexual. The last one may or may not be ace. Either way, I think queer kids just have a way of finding each other.

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May 23rd, 2018, 10:05 pm

Pyro (Guest)

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I know Lynn has the story planned out, but I think Rudy should have this response. "I actually know a guy that is a liscened therapist. He deals with this type of issuses. And he will definetely help you figure out if you need to transition." And then realizes he doesn't know Vincent's number. So he has to go ask Fara for the number. That way he doesn't out any one else.

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May 23rd, 2018, 11:09 pm

Raen (Guest)

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Time to bake Ana some cookies.

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May 24th, 2018, 1:08 am

ljalex

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Given the number of friends i had in school who eventually came out, I find the idea of "an unrealistic number of LGBT people" laughable.

Anyway, i'm so glad you've introduced this character! He's a sweetheart, and as much as i adore this comic, it's always been a bit lacking in characters of color, so this guy really makes me smile & I'm always happy to see more of him :D

On a semi-related note: I don't know about you, but as a trans guy myself, i'm pretty tired of the "trans character's chosen name is just a differently-gendered form of their birthname" trend LGBT fiction seems to be stuck in? I know that's a very real narrative for a lot of people, but personally, i chose a name that bears no resemblance to my birthname, and I'd love to see that choice represented more :O

(Whatever you do for this character, I'm behind you completely! Just throwing my two cents in)

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May 24th, 2018, 8:06 am

AnonymousMe

"Unrealistically high?"

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There's no way it's an "unrealistically high number of queer and trans characters." Honestly, it makes sense to me. When I was younger, one of my friends came out as trans. It was almost like that one friend coming out helped all of us come out, because before the next week started everyone in the group had come out. Literally nobody in that group was cisgender/heterosexual. It was kind of funny, to be honest.

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May 24th, 2018, 8:07 am

Guest

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@Pyro Vincent doesn't have any open appointments, remember? Jessica had to give up her's for Rain's first one.

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May 24th, 2018, 12:19 pm

CatPerson

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@Guest:

But Vincent can refer him to another knowledgeable and understanding counselor ... if Vincent's soft heart doesn't get him to take him on anyway.

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May 24th, 2018, 3:57 pm

Pyro (Guest)

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@CatPerson: yeah, that was my thinking as well. Rudy puts Collete in contact with Vincent. Vincent puts her/him in contact with another therapist. Collette becomes James.

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May 24th, 2018, 9:58 am

Kieran (Guest)

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I mean, I have a group of friends at school sort of like this. We all gravitated towards each other initially, and then one by one came out as something, either sexuality or gender -wise or both. Not unrealistic. Looking forward to Friday's page!!

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May 24th, 2018, 11:28 am

AbbyTheCat65

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I love and support him!!!!!!!!!

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May 24th, 2018, 2:22 pm

otakuchris

Such a great moment.

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May seem random and odd but I love the fact I am one of the ones who did not guess where this was going. Would not have guessed Collete would out herself, in any ways.

So it is wonderful how your characters rarely fall into a typical Anime-esque role or tropes. They seem very real, so it keeps your viewers curious and guessing. Also makes people pay closer attention to the background characters too.

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May 25th, 2018, 11:49 am

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@otakuchris: I hope you mean himself. Colette just said that he's a trans guy. And most likely uses he/him pronouns.

Not biting into you, just offering as polite a correction as this autistic person can. ^^

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May 24th, 2018, 8:58 pm

Samka (Guest)

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@LittleLynn84: So I didn't know this at the time since it was 2007 when I graduated and trans wasn't even a national topic yet, but I've since found out that I'm actually one of 5 other trans people just in my graduating class alone. My high school was a magnet school that focused on arts and tech, so it was the place "misfit" students elected to go, but it's still surprising. I also know for a fact that there were more trans and nbn students in other grades. The funny thing about statistics is that there is no true "random" as people think it. A true random pool will have naturally occuring clusters. I can totally believe that a school like Rain's could have this happen. It's 100% possible.

That aside, I think it doesn't need to be realistic. I'm surprised that there are really people who take issue with it. This is a story for queer and trans people so making is queer and trans as possible is hella nice.

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May 24th, 2018, 8:59 pm

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I don't see that as an unusual number of transgender and lgbt people in a small group. Of my immediate friends 3 people have come out as trans in the last 3 years. Two of them are immediate family of one of my oldest friends and another is the daughter of a former friend. All of them came out while members of our weekly gaming group. That doesn't include me or the bi member of the group.

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May 24th, 2018, 10:57 pm

tacocat

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I have thought about the amount of queer characters and how realistic it may be, but honestly it really doesn't matter at all. Like this is clearly a work of fiction and each queer character adds to the story. It's important to write all kinds of characters in hope that someone will relate to them and feel validated. There are so many straight characters in medias who have romances of all types, but not many queer people portrayed in media. Even now, while there are significantly more gay male characters, there really aren't any solid lesbian characters that have a fulfilling romantic arc, and even less bi characters! It is awesome to read a cute story with great drama where two girls have a healthy relationship and I get to learn about other different identities. While I only really identify as queer and cisfemale, I love following the different character arcs. Thanks for writing a great story:)

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May 25th, 2018, 12:31 am

GessHugh

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Gotta say, for such an everything-phobic school, they have the highest LGBT+ population I have ever seen!

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May 25th, 2018, 12:32 am

GessHugh

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Wasn't a complaint though, hadn't read the other comments yet, lol.

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May 25th, 2018, 1:39 am

Don Edwards (Guest)

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Improbable? Maybe. The percentage is at least plausible. One must guess the balance between idiots like Maria's parents, who preferentially send their gay (etc) kids to a strict anti-gay school, against sensible people who avoid such schools because their kids are gay.

But unrealistic? Shows a serious misunderstanding of probability. If you flip a coin 10 times, you're extremely unlikely to get 10 heads. If you flip a coin 100 sets of 10 times each, having at least one set of 10 heads would be unsurprising. 1000 sets, almost certain.

So really, it would be unsurprising if there's a Catholic school somewhere in the US with *exactly* this mix of LGBTetc students.

And of course, a story of LGBTetc kids in a Catholic school *is* going to be set in such a school.

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May 25th, 2018, 10:44 am

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@otakuchris **himself

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June 1st, 2018, 10:04 am

plasticwrap

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Holy shit! That's one hell of a way to come out! But I guess if you're dying to tell somebody and you're afraid of pretty much everyone else...

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