Corrections

posted June 28th, 2019, 7:41 am


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June 28th, 2019, 7:41 am

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Today's page has so much important dialogue, I'm surprised I didn't have to resort to a two-pager. XD

Anyway, Rain and Ana return to the dance floor after a few minutes, and happen upon Drew soon after. Cue first important point: Drew is basically being left alone. What Ky did has had very little effect on Drew. As Ky said, this has never been about him, and this is the first time Drew's really seeing that firsthand. It's not to say that nobody can/will ever give Drew a hard time about this, but it's not what most people are going to focus on. Go back a few pages, and you can see people are generally more concerned with the people who actually swapped outfits; not the person who brought one of them. The outfit swap has affected Drew very little - if at all - in the social sense thus far.

And in all the time Drew's had not being harassed by his classmates, he starts getting a bit introspective, and thinks about where this all started. He explains this to Rain and Ana (getting corrected for his missteps along the way), only to finally admit he's got a lot to learn. And that's okay! I can't stress enough that it's okay to not know things, but you must keep an open mind and actively try to learn! With that said, although it can take time to adapt to these things, if you're still messing up weeks/months/years later (and are instead still getting defensive or making excuses), then you probably haven't been trying that hard. Period.

Truth bomb. Sorry, not sorry.

Now, Drew hasn't finished his point yet, but we'll hear more on that next week. In the meantime, please feel free to share your thoughts thus far.


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August 18th, 2019, 5:40 am

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June 28th, 2019, 8:10 am

NikuComics

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At least there is trying

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June 28th, 2019, 8:10 am

Izai (Guest)

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Awwww Drew, ma'boy be getting it.

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June 28th, 2019, 8:51 am

notall2gether

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drew thank you youre trying and i love you for it

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June 28th, 2019, 9:38 am

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all "co-" titles this week, was that deliberate?
also at least Drew is taking corrections

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June 28th, 2019, 11:03 am

TranshumanAr (Guest)

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Drew is certainly trying, even if he initially sucks and he has been a selfish jerk for a long time.

Also, even if after my own gender exploration turned full circle and I am just a cis guy, I have tried to explain stuff like this when friends do some transphobic jokes with memes... I think my friends don't really care and post those memes just to see what speech I have to say... Or they just depend on my smartass humor and try anything to get a comment from me.

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June 28th, 2019, 12:51 pm

Lucille (Guest)

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Oh nooooo I finally caught up. But on the other hand I'm so happy to have read up to this point and that we're still getting updates. Thank you Jocelyn!

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June 28th, 2019, 2:50 pm

Spooks

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YES GOOD

No one expects perfection, but the effort goes a long way

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June 28th, 2019, 3:17 pm

RabidRabbitArmy

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Just keep learning from your mistakes bro. You've got this.

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June 28th, 2019, 5:24 pm

J-Master

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Looks like he’s finally starting to follow.

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June 28th, 2019, 6:22 pm

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Question:
does the term "biologically female" not refer to what organs someone has, as opposed to "assigned female" referring to what gender society expects them to perform/present as?

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June 28th, 2019, 7:06 pm

LilyFlareVII

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This is my question as well.

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June 28th, 2019, 9:54 pm

Spooks

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@Merrsharr: "Biologically female" gets kind of weird when you consider intersex people. Plenty of people might *appear* "biologically" female yet have internal testes or be intersex in some other way.

I can also say, as a trans person- and this is just my personal view, take it with a grain of salt- "biological sex" really feels like saying "you know, the sex you were SUPPOSED to be." I might have female sex characteristics, but I assure you, my brain is biologically male. If anything, I just have a chromosome disorder.

Edit: and this is a very good question and one I'm happy to give my two cents on. No judgement here <3 I'd rather people ask for clarification than assume!

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June 29th, 2019, 7:13 am

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@Spooks: I think I get you, but I find it quite hard to avoid those “biological” terms if you don’t want to speak about details like genitalia but also don’t want to generally avoid the subject...

Still easier than gender neutral language (in German for me, and in several other languages)...

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June 29th, 2019, 10:47 am

Illiander

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@Spooks: Yeah, there's that. Also, no-one ever specifies which biological marker they're talking about.

There's chromosomes, hormone levels, brain shape, appearance of genitalia...

The list goes on and on.

Normally it means "I'm a raging transphobe and I don't want to accept your gender or anything that challenges my primary-school level biology knowledge".

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June 29th, 2019, 2:54 am

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@Spooks except intersex people are exceedingly rare, right? I und er stand that the exostence of intersex people rattles the stability of the sex binary but I mean... saying "assigned female" vs. "biologically female" is essentially a matter of semantics where we're not supposed to assume the status of someone's reproductive organs based on their secondary sex characteristics and other typical consequences of hormones and puberty like figure, build, and facial structure/facial hair... Right? This particular point boils down to semantics and not trying to trigger someone's dysphoria, right?

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June 29th, 2019, 7:17 am

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@plasticwrap: I’m not an expert, but AFAIK ”intersex“ can mean so many different things (not only outer genitalia, but also missing/additional gonads or ”chromosome disorders“) that intersex people are probably not that rare at all. Some of them never get to know it themselves, because everything ”looks normal”.

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June 29th, 2019, 10:43 am

Illiander

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@plasticwrap: Actually, according to what numbers I can find, intersex people are about 5x more common than trans people (1.7% vs 0.3%)

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June 30th, 2019, 3:47 am

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@someone_else yes, I've also come across this rather broad definition of intersex, and people who have an extra sex chromosome may, like you said, never know. But how are these people actually affected by this status, and what place does it have in the LGBQTI+ conversation? If they were never given unnecessary surgery or something like that, how is this any different from the injustice cis people suffer under the gender binary? Not trying to minimize the trans struggle, but the gender binary should simply be abolished, if you ask me. Then we deal with an individual's biology on an individual basis, not needing to correct anything (like premature menopause, intersex genitals, gonads in unusual locations, etc.) in order to place said person closer to the typical physiology of a male or female.
tl;dr - if someone falls into this broader definition of intersex but resembles a person with typical physiology to the extent that no one, not even they themselves know they are technically intersex, then what the hell does that matter and what does it have to do with the argument at hand?
@Illiander could you please post a link? I'm happy to read about the topic.

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June 30th, 2019, 4:28 am

Illiander

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@plasticwrap: Sure, here are the sites where I got the rates from:
https://www.intersexequality.com/how-common-is-intersex-in-humans/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender

And here is where I got the difference in brain-shape from (ignore the comments - they're a shitfire):
http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/

Oh, and that one confirms the 0.3% and 1.7% numbers, and also specifies that the intersex number is "ambiguous genitalia at birth" rather than including the invisible intersex count.

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July 2nd, 2019, 4:26 pm

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@Illiander thanks! I'll get back to you once I get a chance to read them

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